tell me you could get away from these..

[Chopper]

here's the read... villain is semi-maniacal. i have seen him push people and bluff. i thought he sucked more like a true maniac, but i was proven wrong...i guess. maybe he got lucky. bottom line can you fold these...or play them passively at my level?

HAND 1:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($9.70)
CO ($12.15)
Button ($7.90)
SB ($10.20)
BB ($4.20)
UTG ($9.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, A.
UTG raises to $0.2, Hero raises to $0.5, 3 folds, BB calls $0.40, UTG calls $0.30.

Flop: ($1.55) 2, 3, 6 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.2, BB calls $1.20, UTG folds.

Turn: ($3.95) A (2 players)
BB bets $1.3, Hero raises to $2.6, BB calls $1.20 (All-In).

River: ($9.05) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $9.05

sure, you know its better than 50% a flush. should you fold w/ the redraw for the remainder of his stack. if the stacks were deeper, i think things change, but for the extra buck or two, dont you have to get it in, just in case you are wrong on the flush?

HAND 2: same villain 1/2 hour later.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($9.85)
SB ($11.20)
BB ($7.35)
UTG ($10.25)
MP ($9.70)
CO ($9)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, T.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, MP calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.65) 9, 5, 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1, MP calls $1.

Turn: ($3.65) 3 (2 players)
MP bets $2, Hero raises to $8.1, MP calls $5.95 (All-In).

River: ($19.70) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $19.70

i dont very often get disappointed from getting it all-in with an overpair against what i think is a LAG, but i think he was "laying for me" again and pwned me big time...that makes me upset. question is: given the turn, and we dont know what villain holds at this point, do we have both value in the overpair AND fold equity in the 3 that completes the straight? is it possible to have both value and FE in a hand?

i feel that when you hold AA, and get a caller, once the A falls on a raggedy flop, you have value in a bet (as you are ahead), but you also have FE (he will most likely fold to a bet w/o the other A). i guess i just answered my question...you CAN have both, but one will outweigh the other in a given hand...right?

comments please.

[Staresy]

I think it is far easier to get away from hand 2 than hand 1.

[pgil]

gotta say though that your pf reraise seems really weak in hand 1

[Chopper]

i agree with the pf raise being weak. but i see-saw around a bit when i get nothing w/ AA. sometimes i go 2.5x, sometimes 5x, it just depends on the image i feel i have and who i am trying to get involved with at the table.

sometimes i plan to get a couple callers and just shove on the flop to see what happens. at 10 NL, i think you have to "play around" a bit to keep yourself interested. besides, where better to "test" different plays than 10 NL?

i may play a session where i only play 10% of hands and shove them all pf, regardless of position...just to see who will call me.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'm not getting away from either of these and I am proud of that. 10NL there is nothing to worry about.

[Chopper]

is it standard to 6max to play overpairs VERY hard w/o reads, or against LAGgy players?

[elipsesjeff]

I'm not getting away from either of these and I am proud of that. 10NL there is nothing to worry about.

I totally agree. These guys can have anything here. Watch out for me, soupie and golfer tho!

[Alexos]

is it standard to 6max to play overpairs VERY hard w/o reads, or against LAGgy players?

Against sucky opponents it is, especially at 10NL. 90% of the time he has top pair in hand 2. Like Iowa said there is no shame in going broke with either hands at 10NL, because more often than not you're ahead.

[zenbitz]

I don't really see the need to raise turn in hand 2. Heart draw, I guess.

[Chopper]

i will PROTECT my vulnerable hands against draws, as should everybody. maybe the "shove" was a bit much. after analysis of the last couple days i have been on a bit of tilt.

K-high flush losing to the A being slow-played, KK hitting the set on the turn but making the villain's flush (twice), AA getting cracked, etc. all the while totally taking away any odds to draw against PROFITABLY ( i know you cant make them fold).

oh, and add the fact that the hands that get all-in that i win...are against short-stacked players only. that hurts big time.

i know this is part of a quasi-normal downswing, but i am realizing i am snowballing this on myself by being UBER-aggro when it is unnecessary.

the raise in hand 2 is not wrong...its the size (push) that is wrong. when i am at my best, i can almost see the 67 coming and will throw out the "teaser" and when raised, i will call, keeping the pot as managable as possible, but SAVING MY STACK.

sorry for the rant, and thanks for the help.

[zenbitz]

oh, and add the fact that the hands that get all-in that i win...are against short-stacked players only. that hurts big time.

You must realize that it's way easier for a short stack to get all in...

[Chopper]

i do realize that. it was only pointing out the "luck" of getting beat against bigger stacks and beating the short ones...therefore, the net losses do not "balance out" in the short run of a downswing.