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    Default 2 AQ hands. Where am I supposed to fold?

    1. Villain is unknown. I just sat an orbit or two ago and he's opened a lot of pots.

    Sorry Fnord and UG, i didn't get a chance to ask him his social, zipcode, and date of birth prior to the hand.

    POKERSTARS GAME #7405229005: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/11 - 22:42:54 (ET)
    Table 'Thusnelda' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: judonns ($41.90 in chips)
    Seat 2: rdm37rd ($50.45 in chips)
    Seat 3: VixxWater ($91.50 in chips)
    Seat 4: Renton555 ($106.15 in chips)
    Seat 5: hammer215 ($25.25 in chips)
    Seat 6: spaceMe ($100 in chips)
    VixxWater: posts small blind $0.50
    Renton555: posts big blind $1

    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Renton555 [Ac Qs]

    hammer215: folds
    spaceMe: folds
    judonns: calls $1
    rdm37rd: folds
    VixxWater: calls $0.50
    Renton555: raises $4 to $5
    judonns: folds
    VixxWater: calls $4

    *** FLOP *** [7h Qc 5h]

    VixxWater: checks
    Renton555: bets $7
    VixxWater: raises $9 to $16
    Renton555: calls $9

    *** TURN *** [7h Qc 5h] [6s]

    VixxWater: bets $32
    Renton555: calls $32

    *** RIVER *** [7h Qc 5h 6s] [3c]

    VixxWater: bets $38.50 and is all-in
    Renton555: ?????????????


    2. Villain has been tight for a small sample. He c/r me on a dry K high flop like 3 hand prior and i folded.

    POKERSTARS GAME #7405414878: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/11 - 22:54:13 (ET)
    Table 'Hilda II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: may64 ($98.55 in chips)
    Seat 2: HijackTheBox ($114.15 in chips)
    Seat 3: CompuRog ($19.05 in chips)
    Seat 4: tommyd7878 ($95.35 in chips)
    Seat 5: Renton555 ($250.65 in chips)
    Seat 6: lhartman ($147.05 in chips)
    CompuRog: posts small blind $0.50
    tommyd7878: posts big blind $1

    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Renton555 [Qd As]

    Renton555: raises $3 to $4
    lhartman: folds
    may64: calls $4
    HijackTheBox: folds
    CompuRog: folds
    tommyd7878: folds

    *** FLOP *** [Qh 7s 6d]

    Renton555: bets $7
    may64: calls $7

    *** TURN *** [Qh 7s 6d] [Th]

    Renton555: checks
    may64: bets $18
    Renton555: calls $18

    *** RIVER *** [Qh 7s 6d Th] [Kd]

    Renton555: checks
    may64: bets $34
    Renton555: ???????
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    Hand 1: I need his rising sign plz.
    Hand 2: I fold the river.
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    time for a break. Ease up on yourself and the people who are trying to help.
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    Hand 1 if u dont fold turn dont fold river either. folding turn is probably best but its close
    Hand 2 river is a definite fold
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    Hand 1 if u dont fold turn dont fold river either. folding turn is probably best but its close
    Hand 2 river is a definite fold
    ^^^^ I fold when I get that sick feeling. I get it in both of these spots, although I probably talk myself out of it in hand 1.
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    yea i definitely felt like #1 was impossible to get away from

    calling #2 down was bad bad bad though
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    Knowing the potsize on each street would be helpful, and I dont feel like doing math when reviewing.

    Can I convince you to start converting hands?
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoricism
    Knowing the potsize on each street would be helpful, and I dont feel like doing math when reviewing.

    Can I convince you to start converting hands?
    No, you really really can't.

    I post hands while playing generally, and when the converter fucks up all ins i go on tilt and lose two stacks. DO U WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT OUTCOME?
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    Paste them into notepad, then convert them all at once at the end of your session.
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    imo both hands don t really matter that much (i.e. frequency you're beat relative to pot odds = neatral ev)

    hand 1 can't fold to brick on river if you call turn

    hand 2 your hand is underrepresented so tough to fold

    In general, I suggest you start mixing in some flop checks when you flop tptk or medium overpair (i.e. QQ on 10-high board). Maybe at nl100 opponents are too donkish to notice but this will earn you free cards in later hands and keep your 1-pair hand WA/WB pots small for now.

    EDIT : I just remembered a hand where you suggested I lead the turn and fold to a raise w 1010 on an 8 high board. I think that would be a very good line to take in hand 2.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    I have been playing badly too, so feel free to rip this:

    Hand 1 I would three bet flop and fold to a push.

    Hand two I think I could find a fold on the river to QK/89.
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    Hand 1: I fold turn, but I would probably fold flop against Vixxwater. He gets real aggressive when he plays postflop. I think he has a str8/2pair here. I think its better to find a better spot with him than TPTK if hes firing back at you.

    Hand 2: I think he floated your flop bet with AK/AJ, he tried to take it down on the turn when you checked, and then hit the river.
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    stack off in 1 on turn. Board demands it i think. Probably ~ev depending on if opp will 2 barrel a worse hand/draw oop.

    hand 2, make a blocking bet and fold to a raise. Maybe even just c/f considering you beat nothing but QJ and a missed 54.
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    I really think on Hand 1 his Rising sign would make a big difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    I really think on Hand 1 his Rising sign would make a big difference.
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    This is from someone who can't handle $100NL, but: hand one looks like THE clearest way-behind hand it's possible to get. The reason people think it's unfoldable is because the villain gets his bets right throughout. Good game to him; I like cardsman's 3-bet flop/fold to push option myself, but calling the turn and river just seems like madness.

    Hand 2 I would find easier to call, but not much easier. He's repping KQ, it looks like KQ, he's probably got KQ, maybe AK. I'm folding this without knowing his rising sign.

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