Nice spot to shove with the nuts?

[Renton]

Threebetter is a laggish tag who threebets lightly. Coldcaller is unknown.

PokerStars Game #7476782619: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/12/16 - 23:54:28 (ET)
Table 'Aenna' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Beyonder01 ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: grande_frere ($159.10 in chips)
Seat 3: speedynutt ($185.15 in chips)
Seat 4: Unreal_Zeal ($75.95 in chips)
Seat 5: nomoreaces ($63.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Renton555 ($100.40 in chips)
grande_frere: posts small blind $0.50
speedynutt: posts big blind $1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Kc Ad]

Unreal_Zeal: folds
nomoreaces: folds
Renton555: raises $3 to $4
Beyonder01: raises $10 to $14
grande_frere: folds
speedynutt: calls $13
Renton555: raises $86.40 to $100.40 and is all-in

[DaNutsInYoEye]

I wouldn't make a habit of it, but I think it's fine against a 3-bettor as you described especially with the extra money of the cold caller.

[mcatdog]

totally standard these days

[spoonitnow]

standard

+1

[Renton]

I wouldn't make a habit of it,

Im pushing QQ+ AK here 100% of the time almost. Is this bad?

[IowaSkinsFan]

If you're read is correct=good

[JL]

I like it.

But what do you do if it's heads up in the same situation?

I find myself in this situation a lot with AK...and usually it ends up with me c/f'ing the flop...which is fine I guess against a nit, but what about against an opponent whom you described?

[johnny_fish]

I like it.

But what do you do if it's heads up in the same situation?

I find myself in this situation a lot with AK...and usually it ends up with me c/f'ing the flop...which is fine I guess against a nit, but what about against an opponent whom you described?

Vary between 4bet to 36$, 4bet push, c/r dry flops ai etc.

[Lukie]

seems relatively standard

[dsaxton]

Nice gamble.

[andy-akb]

I dont think this is bad per se. but I still dont really like it against an unknown cold caller. With a read that they cold-call a wide range out of the blinds then this is fine, but I dont know if we can just assume they do that. Also, if this is our standard line for QQ+, AK, I think we are giving up value against a lot of players. I will play those hands like this against fish, but against a solid regular we get more value IMO by not making such an overbet push because it is so readable.

So anyways, is this play bad? No, but I think you would make more playing it differently

[Renton]

Also, if this is our standard line for QQ+, AK, I think we are giving up value against a lot of players. I will play those hands like this against fish, but against a solid regular we get more value IMO by not making such an overbet push because it is so readable.

Well, if we had AA, i think flat calling sucks. I don't want to see a threeway threebet flop out of position vs a lagg who has nearly any two cards. You could make an argument that its better to fourbet to like 55 or something, but thats going to get the same calls as a push does. A push is probably better for metagame, and we're also shoving on the threebetter as a bluff with hands like Axs (when the cold caller is out of the picture, obviously), and there are positive implications that come from that (we take the play away from him, as he can't 5bet, we frustrate him because our play looks irrational, etc).

[UG]

I like it, and as a few have said before, good gamble, pretty standard, nh, etc, etc...



Not that it really matters because you made (what looks like) the correct decision, but how did it turn out?

[Renton]

cold caller had AA obv

[UG]

:UG makes the 'smelling a poopy diaper' face:


gross.

[andy-akb]

Also, if this is our standard line for QQ+, AK, I think we are giving up value against a lot of players. I will play those hands like this against fish, but against a solid regular we get more value IMO by not making such an overbet push because it is so readable.

Well, if we had AA, i think flat calling sucks. I don't want to see a threeway threebet flop out of position vs a lagg who has nearly any two cards. You could make an argument that its better to fourbet to like 55 or something, but thats going to get the same calls as a push does. A push is probably better for metagame, and we're also shoving on the threebetter as a bluff with hands like Axs (when the cold caller is out of the picture, obviously), and there are positive implications that come from that (we take the play away from him, as he can't 5bet, we frustrate him because our play looks irrational, etc).

Why wouldnt we want a three way pot with AA _especially_ when he could have any two cards? I definitely think this play is +EV, the ev could drastically change based on the cold-caller though, but I still think its more +EV to take it to a flop. This is 100nl, the metagame factors just arent that important, especially against an unknown. Im not saying there arent good players at these stakes, but it just isnt something we really need to worry a ton about.

Also, how often are you 4bet bluff pushing with Axs?

[Harry]

I probably fold rather than push, but I might be a nit.

[andy-akb]

I probably fold rather than push, but I might be a nit.

I rather fold than call, neither are "bad" though. I personally still think calling here without a read is better than pushing. And yea, you are kind of nitty, haha, you also probably think I am a maniac.

[Genitruc]

I think it's fine although I expect the cold-caller to have 1010/JJ and maybe even QQ sometimes... which will prob not fold and you get to race for stacks

but it s fine cuz there s dead money.

[Genitruc]

btw cold-calling like the dood did with AA/KK is sexy a lot

it s so obvious, but ppl have a tough time not clicking the raise button