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    Default Scary Board, laggy play.. what to do?

    first hand at this table, clearly no reads. play here is usually loose, draw-heavy and agro.

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    No Limit Texas Holdem ($0.25/$0.5 NL)
    Table Dolomite
    December 27, 2006 - 11:17:53 (EST)

    1} Veccio81 $50.00 Kd 9d
    2) hegel * $46.43 ?? ??
    3) JJiks $69.70 ?? ??
    4) yung $36.36 ?? ??
    5) padi 70 $75.14 ?? ??
    6) serpent $19.25 ?? ??
    7) Redbull_13 $44.90 ?? ??
    8) NATHIBAUT (sitting out)
    9) donic_tt (sitting out)
    10) gvboy (sitting out)

    Veccio81 is Hero

    JJiks posts small blind $0.25
    yung posts big blind $0.50
    Hero posts blind $0.50
    padi 70 folds
    serpent calls $0.50
    Redbull_13 calls $0.50
    Hero checks
    hegel calls $0.50
    JJiks calls $0.25
    yung checks

    FLOP: Th Jh 9c
    JJiks bets $3
    yung calls $3
    serpent calls $3
    Redbull_13 calls $3
    Hero calls $3
    hegel folds

    TURN: Th Jh 9c 9s
    JJiks bets $3
    yung calls $3
    serpent calls $3
    Redbull_13 calls $3
    Hero raises $15
    JJiks calls $15
    yung folds
    serpent calls $12.75 (all-in)
    Redbull_13 calls $15

    RIVER: Th Jh 9c 9s Qh
    JJiks bets $48.20 (all-in)
    Redbull_13 calls $23.40 (all-in)
    Hero calls $28.50 (all-in)


    JJiks shows Td Tc
    Veccio81 mucks

    JJiks wins $10.20 with a Full House, Tens over Nines
    Redbull_13 mucks
    JJiks wins $76.95 with a Full House, Tens over Nines
    serpent mucks
    JJiks wins $81 with a Full House, Tens over Nines
    $3 raked.


    I really don't want to fold a King hi str8 to a limped pot (doubt someones holding AK). what would you do?
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    fold on the flop. what are you hoping for? another 9 isn't good. someone probably has a straight. a Q is ok but it's a long shot.
    even if you hit people might have hit flushes or boats.

    it's a really bad call on the flop. i think you should fold the river. maybe even the turn. you're so weak. just get out of the hand on the flop.
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    fold the flop.

    also, dont confuse laggy play with stupid play. lags like me in cash games will call and raise a lot preflop (I'm about 33-36%), and make maybe one continuation bet, but other than that a good laggy player isn't bluffing turns or rivers unless he has you on a draw (i.e. you simply call his bets, and he has a read on your prior play). Many good laggs only go all in with top quality hands (sets, flushes, straights). Think of them as players who like to see flops to hit big hands and bust others, and afford all the expensive calls from all the wussy folds from other players (at weak-tight tables, I can make money with a2c and cbets). Re-raise their flop and pre-flop bets to put a cooler on their style, but if they bet turns and rivers its time to shut down (although on this hand, hard not to after turn).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mixchange
    fold the flop.

    also, dont confuse laggy play with stupid play. lags like me in cash games will call and raise a lot preflop (I'm about 33-36%), and make maybe one continuation bet, but other than that a good laggy player isn't bluffing turns or rivers unless he has you on a draw (i.e. you simply call his bets, and he has a read on your prior play). Many good laggs only go all in with top quality hands (sets, flushes, straights). Think of them as players who like to see flops to hit big hands and bust others, and afford all the expensive calls from all the wussy folds from other players (at weak-tight tables, I can make money with a2c and cbets). Re-raise their flop and pre-flop bets to put a cooler on their style, but if they bet turns and rivers its time to shut down (although on this hand, hard not to after turn).
    Yeah, I guess the play is just so unpredictable in these low-blind fake money rooms that I've just started assuming everyone is bluffing. I play 30-35% of hands which is typically more than I'm comfortable with, and every time I 3xbb pfr it's folds.

    I agree though, I've clearly lost perspective cause a 6xbb cold call on the flop with bottom pair is just stupid. .
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    oh, if this is fake money, the play is night and day, its not really even normal poker

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