99 flops an overpair, how is this line? ($27)

[taipan168]

No real reads, BB's HUD stats were something like 33/0 over a small number of hands (around 10-15). How is my line on all streets? Who raises preflop? Getting almost 4.5 to 1 on the river, it is a crying call, no?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1560)
MP1 (t1430)
Hero (t1470)
MP3 (t1370)
CO (t1250)
Button (t1380)
SB (t1800)
BB (t1740)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9, 9.
3 folds, Hero calls t30, 1 fold, CO calls t30, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 5, 2, 8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets t100, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls t100.

Turn: (t320) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB calls t200.

River: (t720) 8 (2 players)
BB bets t210, Hero calls t210.

[GatorJH]

you have to hate the crying call on the river, but with the odds you are getting you have to make the call. I think you played it fine.

[jimmy44]

Yeah, I think on the river you have to call. I think on the river he would have either trip 8s or a flush.
I might have checked the turn to keep the pot small.

[vqc]

why not use ur position and check behind on the turn?

[Da GOAT]

hmm river call is okay given odds i guess.

im gonna devils advocate and argue against calling. what hand do you really think he could have based on action so, an 8 is very possible or better. a busted flush draw wont bet at you. you really think he could have a 5,2, or under pair to your 8's.

yeah you can argue for checking turn too, keeps pot small and call small bet on river.

[taipan168]

Re checking behind on the turn, I guess the question is - do we believe that our hand is still the best? Do we believe that the 6 made opp's hand on the turn? If opp is on the flush draw, why would I give him/her a free card to beat me? If he/she has a set I'm cactus already. I do see the point about pot control though.

im gonna devils advocate and argue against calling. what hand do you really think he could have based on action so, an 8 is very possible or better. a busted flush draw wont bet at you. you really think he could have a 5,2, or under pair to your 8's.

On the river, I was 80% sure I was beat but I only have to be right about 1 time in 5 for this to be +EV, so I guess it's break even either way.

[Da GOAT]

On the river, I was 80% sure I was beat

im thinking we should be even more sure we are beat therefore we dont have odds. hence fold

[drmcboy]

folding the river is awful. 77, 57, (most importantly) FD all may play this way.

given his most likely hand is a draw checking the turn is also pretty bad. Do you guys ever play an 8 like this on this huge draw board with a bunch of limpers? If so, re-evaluate.

a busted flush draw wont bet at you.

this is just silly. Maybe you never bet a busted FD, but that's your leak, not everyone in the world who plays poker. This does help to explain why you never play draws.

EDIT for format

[Da GOAT]

[quote="drmcboy"]folding the river is awful. 77, 57, (most importantly) FD all may play this way.

given his most likely hand is a draw checking the turn is also pretty bad. Do you guys ever play an 8 like this on this huge draw board with a bunch of limpers? If so, re-evaluate.

for checking the turn, i posted a 99 hand long time ago which had ppl shouting for checks with similiar board vs ppl shouting to bet. i do like betting much more but see the arguement for checking if they want to.

as for folding the river maybe i havent been clear. im playing devils advocate, i would call in most circumstances (even here) on river. my point is what type of hand cud opp have (based on my experience i dont see the busted flush betting).

a busted flush draw wont bet at you./quote]

i refer to this hand and this situation, not as a standard.

this is just silly. Maybe you never bet a busted FD, but that's your leak, not everyone in the world who plays poker. This does help to explain why you never play draws.[/list]

i would rarely bet a busted flush in an SNG in this way. call flop, call turn, miss and bet OOP against opp who has fired 2 barrels already. at low stakes i wud say its a bad play unless i had a read.

as for your point ''this does explain why you never play draws'', i know you refer to a post i made in which i played it poorly and added a silly comment which had no relevance. i decided to leave it in than edit it after you quoted it as ''a slap myself out of that thinking''. i hope though that you included the qoute as a joke

[drmcboy]

I can't really decipher what you're saying. Calling the river is good or bad?

Betting a busted FD here is a GREAT play against anyone who folds 99 here getting 4/1.

If we assume villian has an over or a small pair to go along with his FD (Asxs, 6sXs, etc) his calls would be pretty reasonable on each street, adding in some implied odds and a chance to take the pot away.

I bring up that other post because your replies here (I think, again I'm not sure where you're going with devils advocate thing) make me think you still under value drawing hands.

Seperately, with no other info your default read should be a draw. Most made hands bet flop or turn on this board. You seem to just be looking at the river bet and ignoring the previous action. If he is going to play two pair or a set this way great, because we now know we can play any draw against his monsters for free.

[FlyingSaucy]

sorry this is the first im noticing this thread.
I think every street was good. The only question I have is preflop if it should be raised up. I have always favored limping with mid and low pocket pairs early in sngs. lately playing 6 max has warped my mind and I can definitely see an arguement for raising them

How weak/tight have the remaining players at the table been and how tollerant of limpers has the table been in general? If weak/tight i like the limp otherwise i'm really starting to favor raising mid pockets in early game. you've got deep stacks to work with.

[Da GOAT]

WTF i replied and it took ages and never got attached to this thread. UUGGHH