Is my line OK here?

[GatorJH]

I found this hand particularly interesting due to the pot odds that were offered throughout.

Please provide any input or thoughts that you may have on every street.

One note though: The hand just prior to this I had snapped off a bluff of hers which is why I did not raise pre-flop but decided to switch gears and see if I could hit a flop.

Edit: This is the final table of a 27 person $5.50 SNG on Stars

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button (t4170)
Hero (t18405)
BB (t10785)
UTG (t7140)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, T.
2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1400) 4, T, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets t1200, BB calls t1200.

Turn: (t3800) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets t2400, BB raises to t4800, Hero calls t2400.

River: (t13400) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t4135 (All-In), Hero calls t4135.

Final Pot: t21670

[uscheese]

I don't really like this after the turn when he raises...I'd be guessing he has a high pair (J's, Q's etc) or a 10 with a better kicker. I would run away from this hand and I understand what you were doing on the turn to try to reinforce the fact that you think you have him beat or want him to think that but it seems like he thinks he has the better hand

[Fortune 500]

I generally don't like completing here, at 300/600. Raise it in most circumstances. THat said, your stack is large enough that you have room for some unconventional play.

I'm probably done on the flop when he calls an overbet of the pot if I don't improve.

Tricky hand. Had to suck when he wlipped over the 65, I'm guessing. It's a horrible odds call on the flop, but if he thought he could get it all in with you... maybe not.

Edit: Just saw your note about snapping off a previous bluff. I'd still rather limp with a stronger hand if I'm going to do it... but it's marginal. The limp is okay, just not my style.

[GatorJH]

I don't really like this after the turn when he raises...I'd be guessing he has a high pair (J's, Q's etc) or a 10 with a better kicker.

Do you really think villian would have checked pre-flop and jsut called on the flop with a high pair? I can MAYBE see this betting pattern with a hand like 10 9 or 10 J, but really think that at this stage in the game villian would have raised pre-flop with any holding stronger than that.

Also, when villian raises there is now 10,800 in the pot so you are getting 4.5 to 1 to call and you are 75% favorite to a random hand. I just can't see folding here being +ev. Even with a fairly tight range (which you can't do because villian was BB), you are still a huge favorite to win this hand.

[GatorJH]

II'm probably done on the flop when he calls an overbet of the pot if I don't improve.

The flop bet was actually pot sized not an overbet to the pot

Tricky hand. Had to suck when he wlipped over the 65, I'm guessing. It's a horrible odds call on the flop, but if he thought he could get it all in with you... maybe not.

Don't be so results oriented. Not all posts are bad beat posts.

Edit: Just saw your note about snapping off a previous bluff. I'd still rather limp with a stronger hand if I'm going to do it... but it's marginal.

Agreed. Probably a slight case of FPS

[uscheese]

I don't really like this after the turn when he raises...I'd be guessing he has a high pair (J's, Q's etc) or a 10 with a better kicker.

Do you really think villian would have checked pre-flop and jsut called on the flop with a high pair? I can MAYBE see this betting pattern with a hand like 10 9 or 10 J, but really think that at this stage in the game villian would have raised pre-flop with any holding stronger than that.

Also, when villian raises there is now 10,800 in the pot so you are getting 4.5 to 1 to call and you are 75% favorite to a random hand. I just can't see folding here being +ev. Even with a fairly tight range (which you can't do because villian was BB), you are still a huge favorite to win this hand.

I don't know...I haven't played with the guy.

I just don't feel that confident about a pair of tens with an 8 kicker. I suppose he could be chasing a flush draw and missed also.

[Fortune 500]

I haven't run the math, but according to the hand converter, pot said 1050... with 1200 on flop. Given that it's 600 blinds, yeah... I guess it was pot size. That changes things a bit... I'm not so worried about a made hand slowplaying here. It actually makes me more concerned with the draw.

Given that on the flop, I guess I like how you played out the rest of the hand... his raise on the turn is certainly fishy, but you're getting good odds on top pair, particularly if this guy is prone to a bluff. Once you're there at the river, there's no getting away.

[GatorJH]

not sure what happened with the converter, but I will manually corrected it. Thanks for noticing that.

Edit: Just noticed that with antes the pot was actually at 1400

[Da GOAT]

why bet turn?? this is the bit i dont understand vs your opp here.

PF-meh okay

Flop- fair enough

Turn-CHECK-let him/her bluff (so what if there is a flush draw [aint always got a flush, plus she seems capable of a semi bluff]). i think your bet on turn could well of gotten a fold when she would gladly of bet if you checked.

river-check/call

[FlyingSaucy]

Good hand for post Gator.

What's in his range that checks preflop and calls the flop bet? I'm personally never ever slow playing big pairs preflop against a SB limper - even with position. Those Ms are too low to be giving free flops away. So I doubt, if sb thinks like me, that he's slow playing a big pair. But then, I have no idea if he thinks like me.

What calls that 1200 on the flop? a loose/weak player with 56? Another Tx? two pair? I would think any pair preflop would have raised so a set is unlikely. A pure bluff is also a possibility, thinking you would never be in a pot that hit that flop. I'd give a pure bluff or mid/bottom pair at least a 20% chance. Really tough spot, these are my questions, I have no answers.

[GatorJH]

Turn-CHECK-let him/her bluff (so what if there is a flush draw [aint always got a flush, plus she seems capable of a semi bluff]). i think your bet on turn could well of gotten a fold when she would gladly of bet if you checked.

That is an interesting line. If she is indeed on a draw how often do you think she bets the turn if we check? If you believe we are ahead here why give the opportunity for a free card on the river?

[GatorJH]

Good hand for post Gator.

Thanks!!

What's in his range that checks preflop and calls the flop bet? I'm personally never ever slow playing big pairs preflop against a SB limper - even with position. Those Ms are too low to be giving free flops away. So I doubt, if sb thinks like me, that he's slow playing a big pair. But then, I have no idea if he thinks like me.

Yes, that was exactly my thought process so I had indeed discounted a big pair to less than 5% of the time

What calls that 1200 on the flop? a loose/weak player with 56? Another Tx? two pair? I would think any pair preflop would have raised so a set is unlikely. A pure bluff is also a possibility, thinking you would never be in a pot that hit that flop. I'd give a pure bluff or mid/bottom pair at least a 20% chance. Really tough spot, these are my questions, I have no answers.

I actually gave mid/bottom pair a bigger chance - say 40% as she was in the BB and could have anyting.

[TLR]

Its a low buy in, most people dont run any complicated moves here.
preflop villian checks, he probably does not have anything particuly good.
On the flop you bet almost the pot and he calls, he is either drawing to a str8, a flush or has a piece of the flop that he has no idea if its good or not, probably 2nd pair.
On the turn you bet strongly again and he minraised you, so the turn probably improved his hand, either he completed the str8, hits two pair or now has a pair + heart flush draw.
You need to call 2400 into an about 11K pot, and if you are behind you have about 5 outs, some of them tainted, so you dont have the odds to call in order to improve to 2 pair or better.
You turn move now is either fold or come over the top, if you planned to call the river bet (as you did) you should definitly push it. Given the stack sizes I tend to fold this and look for a better spot.

[GatorJH]

You turn move now is either fold or come over the top, if you planned to call the river bet (as you did) you should definitly push it.

I definitely agree here and think the turn play was a mistake on both parts. What perplexed me at the time was that SHE did not push. To me that meant that she either a) was still not sure is she had the best hand or b) was trying to draw me in.

Because she wasn't a solid player I gave option A a 70% probability and B a 30% probability. I was pretty sure (read based) that I had the best hand here but was also unsure enough to call here and potentially check it down on the river.

When the river card hit I was almost certain that it did not help her hand so I felt confident in calling her push.

[GatorJH]

For what its worth - And for all of those results oriented posters who think every post on here is a losing one:

Villian flipped over K, 4 and I took down the pot.

[Slash]

For what its worth - And for all of those results oriented posters who think every post on here is a losing one:

Villian flipped over K, 4 and I took down the pot.

great call... Gotta love stackin a donk!

[Da GOAT]

For what its worth - And for all of those results oriented posters who think every post on here is a losing one:

Villian flipped over K, 4 and I took down the pot.

you play bad

[GatorJH]

For what its worth - And for all of those results oriented posters who think every post on here is a losing one:

Villian flipped over K, 4 and I took down the pot.

you play bad

Note to self: Put CelticUabhar on Gauntlet hit list

[Da GOAT]

Note to self: Put CelticUabhar on Gauntlet hit list

Imma gonna keep RR you every time