Deep Stacked private sng

[gingerwizard]

Great thing my uni poker society set up with Bet fair. $5.50 sng. $150 added. 27 players top 4 paid. HUGE value. 5000 starting stacks 15 min levels.

We are at 100/200 and im BB with 6000.
CO, a friend of mine whose game I know backwards minraises to 400. He has 12000 behind
His range is AQ+,TT+. He will either limp or raise more with hands he doesnt want too much action with.
This is an ATC call against this range deep stacked for me.

My cards are unimportant.

Flop
he cbets 600.
I know he has completely missed this flop, and I know he knows that i am very straight forward.
I raise to 1800. He thinks and calls.
Turn
How much do I bet? I am only worried about 3 hands now. If he has AA, im dead anyway. If he has or it would explain his call as he loves drawing and doesnt understand odds. His line would be "He has trips so if i hit ill win a big pot." Note this read implies if he is drawing, he'll call a shove.
Any other hand he will likely fold to a reasonable bet.
He has a habit of cbetting missed flops, putting you on whatever you rep and folding blank turns.

How do you play the turn?

[kevster]

I presume what you're really asking is can we push him off this hand? It's an interesting experiment but I find it difficult to answer that without knowing what we're holding, e.g. If we can bet for value, have outs to draw to (semi-bluff) or are just plain bluffing.

You seem to suggest he'll fold to a turn bet if he has nothing but also that AK/AQ are likely holdings. So, I fold to any aggression unless I'm confident my hand has him dominated. Maybe throw out a another bet if he checks but most likely check behind. I think it really depends on my hand, just my opinion.

[TLR]

Given your description he is convinced you have trips, and he likes to draw, so he would only play Ax hearts and will not fold it.
So unless you think you are ahead you should check.

If you think he calls with overpair (AA-TT), which is pretty dumb if he thinks you have trips then you may push him off TT-KK by represnting the A.
However representing the A makes little sense with your previous betting pattern. Unless you have AA or A8 you have no reason to reraise the flop in his mind.

[kevster]

Oops, my bad - I thought he was first to play - you didn't mention that you originally checked the flop.

Some of my post still stands. I'm not betting here unless I know I'm in front - check.

[taipan168]

I know you said that your cards were irrelevant, but against such a big stack I'm not sure I'm calling even a minraise from the BB with ATC. Reverse implied odds of making this call can be really bad on some flops.

Otherwise, I agree, check the (EDIT: turn). Any bet you make here will have to be a shove - there is 4500 in the pot and you have 3600 behind, and you have no idea where you stand. You can c/f the turn and still have 18x BB left which is nowhere near desperate.

[gingerwizard]

Ive already check raised the flop.

ATC is fine because were deep stacked and i have to call 200 to win 700. If the flop has any high cards im done. If I hit 2 pair or trips ill take a nice pot. If the board comes dry I may be able do win it anyway.

Cards are irrelevant because if i had something then i'd bet for value, but since i am conviced of his range, I can also reasonably think i can push him off it by check raising his auto cbet on the flop and firing the turn.

BUT the A comes and now, even though he knows I have trips (and he does) more of his likely holdings are nice for him. He will make the horrible call with AKhh and AQhh (thinking TP and flush draw has clean outs), and obv AA crushes me. He will fold TT,...,KK and be pissed at me for calling pf with T8 or whatever.

But, now we see the Ace, do we push the turn, bet 2000 or so, or just abandon the plan?

[taipan168]

Sorry my reply had a typo, I meant to say "check the turn". Once the A comes and once he called your flop C-R I think it is time to GTFO with your remaining 18x BB.

[Rondavu]

Your mistake is thinking in absolutes. There is a lot of room here for misenterpretation of your relationship with the villain. Villain could be thinking "Hero is using his straight forward image to overrepresent", or "Hero is acting out of character with a pocket pair because of villains habitual aggression. Therefore my pair outs are good, and scare cards are equity."

I don't think you can assume villain will believe you have trips. That's a pretty bold assumption to make. What happens when someone reps something on the board, and you don't believe they have it? You float them to the next street, and apply pressure on a lot of different turns.

The fact is sir, that you're making a move, and maybe villain has become aware of this possibility, and intends to outplay you.