Delayed bluff vs minraising nit.

[Renton]

POKERSTARS GAME #8697160296: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/03/02 - 03:09:33 (ET)
Table 'Sulamitis II' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: want2win ($300.35 in chips)
Seat 2: tiffybobs ($68.85 in chips)
Seat 3: jaymzisking ($195.45 in chips)
Seat 4: Renton555 ($539.70 in chips)
Seat 5: TheAwfulDin ($243.20 in chips)
tiffybobs: posts small blind $1
jaymzisking: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Ah Qs]

Renton555: raises $6 to $8
TheAwfulDin: folds
want2win: folds
tiffybobs: folds
jaymzisking: calls $6

*** FLOP *** [2c 2s 6d]

jaymzisking: checks
Renton555: bets $12
jaymzisking: raises $12 to $24
Renton555: calls $12

*** TURN *** [2c 2s 6d] [Kh]

jaymzisking: bets $25
Renton555: raises $43 to $68

[Genitruc]

If he's a thinking nit then this is a sick sick play.

If he sux like most nits then I don't like it.

[Renton]

If he sux like most nits then I don't like it.

explain plz

[cadmunkey]

Whats with the min raises these days? It happened so often at Full Tilt the other night that I had to do a double take and make sure I hadnt sat at limit tables by mistake. Sickening.
I think you make a great play there and hes folding his 77-QQ.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Is this how you play AA? KK?

[Miffed22001]

If he sux like most nits then I don't like it.

explain plz

think of 2p2. Then consider which hands they are not folding, like ever, because they think that hand strength+HUD= never fold a set.

Then ask yourself why nits suck.

I can see what your representing, but a nit wont, hes incapable of folding any strong hand ever except a big pp facing aggression.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

I love doing this on low boards, because usually you see a 6 or a weak overpair here. but i'd rather do it against a loose weak player (or is that what this player is? Whenevr i hear nit i think tight pre).

[gabe]

Is this how you play AA? KK?

is this how villian plays aa ?

[koolmoe]

I like it. He's got small/mid pair there a lot.

[Genitruc]

If he's a bad nit, then not only does he not use a wild image to get paid off, but he's afraid of "not getting paid" when he does have a big hand.

So he does lame stuff like minraising. It's usually a hand he'd never fold in a million years.

If he's a "good" nit, he's :

-capable of using his image to bluff

-unlikely to pull of the stupid minraise crap when it's for value (since you're "supposed" to think he's nitty hence raising here for value it's a good bluff)

Not sure if that's clear.

[Renton]

If he's a bad nit, then not only does he not use a wild image to get paid off, but he's afraid of "not getting paid" when he does have a big hand.

So he does lame stuff like minraising. It's usually a hand he'd never fold in a million years.

If he's a "good" nit, he's :

-capable of using his image to bluff

-unlikely to pull of the stupid minraise crap when it's for value (since you're "supposed" to think he's nitty hence raising here for value it's a good bluff)

Not sure if that's clear.

so a bad nit isn't checkgayraising 99 here and then folding to clear strength on a scary turn?

[Genitruc]

in my experience a bad nit will just call with it

but shit man, you've played like 12378237012873x as many hands as me...

[Renton]

yea but im still a breakevenish player at shorthanded nl

[Fnord]

The player Renton is up against is perfectly capable of min-raising a wide range on the flop. Check/min-raising on a board like this is rapidly becoming part of the meta-game in small stakes PS.

The problem I see here, is exactly what hand is he trying to sell the other guy he has? AK doesn't often play like this often enough. TT-QQ doesn't either. It looks like either the nuts or a bluff if he's a really good hand reader.

[Renton]

The player Renton is up against is perfectly capable of min-raising a wide range on the flop. Check/min-raising on a board like this is rapidly becoming part of the meta-game in small stakes PS.

The problem I see here, is exactly what hand is he trying to sell the other guy he has? AK doesn't often play like this often enough. TT-QQ doesn't either. It looks like either the nuts or a bluff if he's a really good hand reader.

yea basically im repping KK+ AK

[lolzzz_321]

throw some Ds on that bitch, I like it

[Fnord]

yea basically im repping KK+ AK

22 + 66 should also be in your range here.

[Genitruc]

yea basically im repping KK+ AK

22 + 66 should also be in your range here.

WTF NO 26o??????

[Jager]

In my experience nits are usually very cautious when a scare cards hits and they are beat, the K here qualifies. Villain here did not feel that either you hold a K or that any single K beats him. I would have folded this turn instead of trying to rep a stronger hand than he is already representing.

[koolmoe]

He's only a nit preflop. He's pretty aggressive postflop, at least in the ~1000 hands I have on him.

[Renton]

yea basically im repping KK+ AK

22 + 66 should also be in your range here.

sure