Strategy: 3 bet pot c-bets

[IowaSkinsFan]

Normally i bet 3/4ths pot when i threebet and cbet flops, but recently ive been thinking I should do more like a little over half.
Benefits:
1. when I miss I lose less
2. It gives me a pot sized turn bet
3. To some it may look stronger
4. It allows me to get away from my hand better.

Thoughts?

[Renton]

Normally i bet 3/4ths pot when i threebet and cbet flops, but recently ive been thinking I should do more like a little over half.
Benefits:
1. when I miss I lose less
2. It gives me a pot sized turn bet
3. To some it may look stronger
4. It allows me to get away from my hand better.

Thoughts?

you probably should be checking more than you are.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Normally i bet 3/4ths pot when i threebet and cbet flops, but recently ive been thinking I should do more like a little over half.
Benefits:
1. when I miss I lose less
2. It gives me a pot sized turn bet
3. To some it may look stronger
4. It allows me to get away from my hand better.

Thoughts?

you probably should be checking more than you are.

elaborate plz.

[Irisheyes]

Yeah you're right Iowa

[Renton]

Normally i bet 3/4ths pot when i threebet and cbet flops, but recently ive been thinking I should do more like a little over half.
Benefits:
1. when I miss I lose less
2. It gives me a pot sized turn bet
3. To some it may look stronger
4. It allows me to get away from my hand better.

Thoughts?

you probably should be checking more than you are.

elaborate plz.

Well, im not sure having a psb on the turn is such a good thing. Wouldn't u rather have like 3/4 or 2/3 of the pot behind on the turn so u can get paid off light when u have a hand? Really, how often are u going to be double barrelling for stacks with air in a 3bet pot?

I like evaluating flops in EV terms, like "Hmm, given this flop, and given the range i perceive villain to be on, can i profitably bet this flop?" And I like the bigger bet because its so hard to float me when theres only 2/3-3/4 the pot behind on the turn, plus it allows me to more easily get all in when i have a good hand.

[IowaSkinsFan]

K I see the exploitation but at 100NL lets give it a go?

[elipsesjeff]

You shouldnt have a standard betting size period. If you have a fish who will pay off a PSB or more on teh turn with a draw then make him pay. If he'll only call with odds then give him odds you just can't pay him off when they hit.

Also, 1/2 pot cbets on stars dont work at 100 NL, but they do at FTP 100 NL. But if you're going to switch to 1/2 pot cbets you shoud also switch to 3x open raising.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Also, 1/2 pot cbets on stars dont work at 100 NL, but they do at FTP 100 NL. But if you're going to switch to 1/2 pot cbets you shoud also switch to 3x open raising.

So you've tried 1/2 pots cbets?
Anyways, I'm gonna try it for awhile nad I'll update. I'll do a little more than half pot. like 17 into a 28.

[Genitruc]

I haven't really used betting "formulas" in a long time but my guess is that you've been caught lots in situations where you 3-bet from the blinds and get into gross spots where you have less than a 2/3 PSB on turn with air vs passive villains who flat-called the flop.

Maybe it would be interesting to think about how profitable getting into this situation in the first place is?

Btw I'm not saying it's good/bad but I'm surimising that you're looking for a bandaid solution to remedy a generally tough spot you find yourself in a lot when you're very aggro in 3-betting preflop.

My own intuition is that Renton's suggestion (about acting according to villain's range) is probably something that could bring you closer to a "solution" than simply making your c-bets smaller in 3-bet pots.

[sauce123]

if u have an accurate picture of your opponent's range and how he will respond to different betting patterns than you have no need to say: I'll try betting 1/2 potish.

Maybe it would be better to say somethin like: I 3bet with AK AQ and get called by a generally passive villain- maybe i should consider betting less on whiffed flops so I can get paid more when I hit and have enough behind to bluff shove a scare card turn.

[gabe]

mix up your game and work on manipulating people with different bet sizes

[Jager]

This is all villain dependant. You need to find out who perceives what your bet amounts mean, and who just sees you bet. Like the rest of your game, what you do should be standard unless it is time to not be standard.

[ASPoker8]

Redgrape,

The size of your cbet (after 3betting) should be completely dependant on:

1. Opponent
2. Stack sizes


Mix it up, use what seems best in the given situation.

[gabe]

Redgrape,

The size of your cbet (after 3betting) should be completely dependant on:

1. Opponent
2. Stack sizes

what about your own image? what about your cards and theirs?

[gabe]

use what seems best in the given situation.

oooh nevermind my last post, i see you covered it right here!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Redgrape,

The size of your cbet (after 3betting) should be completely dependant on:

1. Opponent
2. Stack sizes


Mix it up, use what seems best in the given situation.

lol I tell you about FTR and you immediately join it. Welcome!
But yeah listen to gabe.

[ASPoker8]

Also, Gabe,

Your own image plays into "opponent". His tendencies and how he views yours should make up this category

[gabe]

nah