Cooler? or could I have got away?

[Hornsta9]

I think this is just a standard cooler and I couldn't get away. What do you think?

I called the river bet as I felt I had under repped my hand a little and this guy was a donk. His stats are 42/11/2.3 and he had shown down all sorts of crap.

Game #3576373763: Hold'em NL (£0.15/£0.25) - 2007/03/23 - 23:14:12 (GMT)
Table "Saz" Seat 3 is the button.
Seat 1: ninti (£18.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Swift40 (£5.35 in chips)
Seat 3: graniteht (£24.67 in chips)
Seat 4: Chr200 (£27.45 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero (£25.42 in chips)
Seat 6: Tere22041 (£45.56 in chips)
Chr200: posts small blind £0.15
boonjob: posts big blind £0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Hero [Qs Qc]
Tere22041: calls £0.25
ninti: folds
Swift40: folds
graniteht: raises to £0.75
Chr200: folds
Hero: raises to £2
Tere22041: folds
graniteht: calls £1.25
----- FLOP ----- [3d Kh 4s]
Hero: bets £3
graniteht: calls £3
----- TURN ----- [3d Kh 4s][Ah]
Hero: checks
graniteht: checks
------RIVER------
Hero: checks
graniteht: bets £5
Hero: calls £5
----- SHOW DOWN -----
graniteht: shows [Kc Ad] (Two Pairs, Aces and Kings, Nine high)
Hero: mucks hand [Qs Qc]
graniteht collected £19.40 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot £20.40 Main pot £19.40 Rake £1
Board [3d Kh 4s Ah 9d]
Seat 1: ninti folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Swift40 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: graniteht (button) showed [Kc Ad] and won (£19.40) with Two Pairs, Aces and Kings, Nine high
Seat 4: Chr200 (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Hero (big blind) mucked [Qs Qc]
Seat 6: Tere22041 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
****HAND ENDS****

[bigspenda73]

Raise more PF and c/f turn.

BTW, this is not a cooler. A cooler is typically the nut hand beating the 2nd nut hand.

[griffey24]

I'm confused by this HH, where is the river action?

This definitely isn't a cooler, and you can definitely get away from this hand. He called a K high flop that had no draws, so you gotta put him on something good.

Check-fold turn I think, this board is no good for you now.

[Hornsta9]

Raise more PF and c/f turn.

BTW, this is not a cooler. A cooler is typically the nut hand beating the 2nd nut hand.

SO this is not a cooler. Thanks for the correction in terminology. The HH was messed up. I checked the turn and he checked behind then bet the river. If he had bet the turn I think I could have found a fold but because he seemed like a donk I called the river bet.

I'm confused by this HH, where is the river action?

This definitely isn't a cooler, and you can definitely get away from this hand. He called a K high flop that had no draws, so you gotta put him on something good.

Check-fold turn I think, this board is no good for you now.

See above re the HH. It was messed up.

Thanks for your comments. I do appreciate them. I sometimes wonder whether i know what the hell I am doing. Every hand I post is crap and the decisions I make seem to be completely out of kilter with everyone on this board. By the way this is not a rant but I am a little frustrated at the moment, I have played for 4 hours tonight and am break even again. Most of my big hands either end up lie this, and I have made the right folds in other hands, or I have been bad beaten to death.

This game is so cruel at times and is so brutal on your confidence. My problem seems to be that I am not certain whether these problems are down to my questionable plays or variance or something else.

I will just have to keep posting hands and getting feedback. Thanks again for spending time to reply and steering me in the right direction.

[bigspenda73]

I don't want to come off as a jerk at all but if this type of hand is giving you fits I think you have some serious work to do on your game. Posts more hand but in general read the theory posts as well as the stickies to get a true understanding to the way poker works.

[Halv]

This game is so cruel at times and is so brutal on your confidence.

QFT.

Chalking it all up to variance is nonsense, everyone has leaks that need to be plugged.

[Hornsta9]

I don't want to come off as a jerk at all but if this type of hand is giving you fits I think you have some serious work to do on your game. Posts more hand but in general read the theory posts as well as the stickies to get a true understanding to the way poker works.

Its cool, your not coming across as a jerk.

This type of hand isn't causing me that much trouble really. I am just having a hard time of it at the moment. It seems that every time I have a reasonable hands the flop doesn't hit or I get so much aggression that I have to fold and I spend the whole evening folding bad hands only to have to fold my good hands or they get beat.

This post is sounding more and more like a bad beat story and a whine and I really didn't want to do that. I want help with the hands and to learn where I am going wrong. I think I am going through some variance at the moment and I haven't really had a sustained period of it (5000+ hands) where no draws hit, big hands get beat or flops don't hit. I think this might be affecting my play as well.

Anyway, enough moaning and thanks again for the comments. I will keep posting hands and taking the comments on the chin.

[griffey24]

Hey hornsta9,

Keep at it man, I'm sure things will come around.

As for the hand, I just saw the new HH.

As played with the turn check through, I think I often play this exactly the same as you did. You slowed down, and you checked both streets. I think sometimes you'll call a bet on the river and it will be a better hand, and others will be some sort of worse hand/bluff.

I think i'm more likely to call a bet from someone I have reads on, that is aggro and will bet when checked to, to steal. I might not call here to a passive player, since the flop still had no obvious draws.

This call is marginal. Its probably neither very +EV, nor very -EV

[Hornsta9]

This game is so cruel at times and is so brutal on your confidence.

QFT.

Chalking it all up to variance is nonsense, everyone has leaks that need to be plugged.

I am certainly not chalking it all up to variance but when you hit 6 sets from 100 pairs in 200 hands it seems that there is a little bad variance there to.

I am trying to establish where my leaks are and where I am playing bad so I can fix it, by posting hands and absorbing the feedback. I look on FTR everyday and try to implement the concepts mentioned in the threads.

I am nothing more than an average player and so some of my posts may seem ridiculous to some but I need to clarify things in my mind if I am to improve to your standard.

Anyway, I know what you are saying, variance is not an excuse for long term loses and everyone makes mistakes.