folding a set on the flop..

[johnny_fish]

5th hand of a 555 turbo. Sb is Sheets (world class player), Utg is mediocre. Too much reverse implied odds?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero (t1360)
MP2 (t1520)
MP3 (t2520)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1470)
SB (t1460)
BB (t1420)
UTG (t780)
UTG+1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 6, 6.
UTG calls t30, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, MP2 calls t30, MP3 calls t30, 1 fold, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t210) 6, K, 9 (7 players)
SB bets t90, BB folds, UTG raises to t210, Hero folds , MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Button folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: t510


No showdown. UTG wins t510.

[taipan168]

I don't play these stakes, but I'd need a pretty rock solid read that UTG's raise was something that had bottom set crushed (i.e. 99 or KK) to fold here - particularly given your read that he was a mediocre player.

I don't know how sheets plays but the only hand I'm worried about here is 99 - I can't see him completing the SB after 5 limpers with KK.

[Ghandii]

There was no strength shown pre flop so suited connectors are a strong possibility. Im guessing UTG has at least top pair with a flush draw. With two cards to come and so little invested in the pot this is an easy fold for me.

However...

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[Black Sheep]

On these flops i tend to wanna see the turn, just for hopefully make a full house or even quads, which doenst happen at all. Everyone might say fold here, but i would see another card, and if its not a spade, i would push pretty hard on the turn. I got my own unique playstyle

[Sprayed]

Smooth calling, I think, is out of the question. Sheets doesn't complete the sb that much and he rarely leads oop with nothing. You have a strong hand even with all spades. I don't mind a fold since it's early, but I wouldn't hold too much stock in some of these players. I would get my chips in. Sheets, of course, is very good and you have to respect his play. Although, I can see him betting a draw here.

[TLR]

I dont play this stakes, but I doubt I fold here, I think I am smooth calling here, if SB comes over the top I have to assume a made flush and fold, however if he calls I see what happens on the turn, position is pretty vital in this hand.

[|~|ypermegachi]

i don't like smooth calling because there are still 3 players to act after me....which any one of them could make a move to try and steal the pot.

it's either push or fold. in this situation when you're not sure, i think fold is better since you have so little invested. but more often than not, i think your set is good here and you should push. how much do you want to gamb0000l???

[TLR]

with a raise reraise and cold call I doubt someine without a made flush will put any money in this pot

[|~|ypermegachi]

with a raise reraise and cold call I doubt someine without a made flush will put any money in this pot

there was a bet, fold, and then raise. no re-raise yet...that's where hero comes in!

[Scuba Chuck]

UTG (t780)

Since it's only the 5th hand, do you have a story as to why UTG has t780 at this point?

This is an interesting hand. If you call, how do you think Sheets plays the following hands?
a) A X
b) Q X
c) A X non-spade
d) K9 (or any 2 pair)

Is it important to know what Sheets thinks you have if you call here? (History?)

[Scuba Chuck]

I dont play this stakes, but I doubt I fold here, I think I am smooth calling here, if SB comes over the top I have to assume a made flush and fold, however if he calls I see what happens on the turn, position is pretty vital in this hand.

Just a note: you're using position as a reason to call here, just as OP is using position for the same reason to fold here. Something to think about.

Sheets in the SB certainly makes this a complicated hand. If we're folding here on any raise, and hypothetically Sheets is also shoving AsXns, then we're spewing. Erego, it makes more sense to fold then to call/fold.

[Scuba Chuck]

i don't like smooth calling because there are still 3 players to act after me....which any one of them could make a move to try and steal the pot.

There's been a bet, a raise and a smooth call (assuming hero calls). No one will be "stealing" after us.
This hand has the exact same action

[johnny_fish]

First of all, I think it's pretty obvious that call/fold is a horrible spew.

So it's push or fold. To simplify: If I push I either play a 1900 pot with 60-70% equity (+400) or a 3000 with 30% (-500); Sheets will only call with 99/flush.

So I need to fold if I'm beat here more than 45% of the time.. Pretty close imo.

[Scuba Chuck]

First of all, I think it's pretty obvious that call/fold is a horrible spew.

So it's push or fold. To simplify: If I push I either play a 1900 pot with 60-70% equity (+400) or a 3000 with 30% (-500); Sheets will only call with 99/flush.

So I need to fold if I'm beat here more than 45% of the time.. Pretty close imo.

So, are you implying that Sheets will not play a hand like As9x or other unaggressively? I'm still confused, why is call/call completely out?

(Otherwise, I agree with everything else you've said).

[Bozanic]

I'd be a lil leary of a made flush here, or at least a flush draw here (6 - K - 9 of spades, right?). Over-sets aren't near as worrisome. Early in the game, I would lean towards a fold here, as it's not a live or die situation.

A call, well, leaves you wondering again, what if a K or 9 turns? You have a made boat & would push all in, or at least I would. But if you were worried about an over-set, well then you're gonna fold a full house? Don't think so. If another spade turns, well

Flushes kill me so many times, players will hang around on the slimiest of draws. I've had people draw to a flush without ace, king, queen or jack! A few times when I was holding the nut flush draw.

So, push or fold. Calling just seems to create more problems. Me, I'd fold 'em!

[|~|ypermegachi]

i don't like smooth calling because there are still 3 players to act after me....which any one of them could make a move to try and steal the pot.

There's been a bet, a raise and a smooth call (assuming hero calls). No one will be "stealing" after us.
This hand has the exact same action

are you calling a push after? after the bet, raise, smooth call, anyone who pushes after is pretty much making a huge bluff or has the flush.