stars 5/10- thoughts on this triple barrel?

[sauce123]

Im running around 20/17 today so my image is probably solid tag. Villain is relatively new to the table and unknown to me, but I assume he as a decent idea of what hes doing, I havent seen him do anything crazy yet. This is standard imo if a K or J even falls on the river, but what do you think of this line? this is also a spot which comes up fairly frequently.




PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($975)
MP ($295)
Button ($985)
SB ($1194)
BB ($1910.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q.
Hero raises to $40, 3 folds, BB calls $30.

Flop: ($85) 3, 3, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $80, BB calls $80.

Turn: ($245) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $170, BB calls $170.

River: ($585) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $685 (All-In)

[|~|ypermegachi]

i don't think it's bad. but for some weird reason i think BB is calling wide here.

[silu73]

If I would be the BB my likely holding would be TT/JJ and would be calling your river push.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

I don't like doing this with unknowns. I've had guys who seemed real tight when they got to the table and then i see them call my triple barrel with TPGK. At 1000NL it's more likely this guy knows what he's doing, though.

[benny999]

i dont like it much mostly because he's unknown, but also since he called the turn, which shows a pretty strong disbelief in your "bigger pair" and no possible semibluff hands hit on the river.
still someone might rethink and say "no way he'd bluff again at such a bad time"

but i like the metagame aspect that seeing this will make it harder to call your cbets and 2 barells lightly, knowing that you arent always giving up if you whiff.

btw is it normal that you would leave a >psb left for the river if you truly have a hand you want to push with on the river and get called?
i know it's not a ton more than a psb, but i'm wondering if this is a possible tell.

[sauce123]

no, its not.

[mcatdog]

If I would be the BB my likely holding would be TT/JJ and would be calling your river push.

So you're stacking off with TT or JJ every time you have an overpair and a solid TAG raises UTG and bets the flop, turn, and river? You should probably fold at some point there.

[benny999]

no, its not.

do u mean not a tell, or not normal to do that with a real hand?
i wonder since i've done that a few times with bluffs, but with big hands i focused on having <psb left on the river.

[sauce123]

meh no i mean its not a tell. I focus on what my optimal turn bet is in terms of how big I can make their calling range and then i may or may not push river

[Rondavu]

How wide is villains passive range? I think your answer is right there. This line you took is awesome if villains passive range is thin given the cards that rolled off.

This meaning he would build the monster on the turn, and raise 9x TT-QQ on the flop. Something like that.

[YeaURBad]

i hope you overbet overpairs here to balance. Its fine if you occasionally do this, but you should have some type of read.

[Rondavu]

i hope you overbet overpairs here to balance. Its fine if you occasionally do this, but you should have some type of read.

The beauty of it is even if you don't overbet overpairs often enough, this looks like the friendly board for it.

[sauce123]

I am the king of the strategic overbet... lol.

yes I definitely do this btw.

[Genitruc]

This looks fine to me.

If villain calls, then big deal... Enjoy getting paid off later in your session.

If villain folds and types "10 10... NH" then welcome to the SHIPITHOLLADAYINN.

[Genitruc]

post-scriptum

Similar spot here (although not as cut and dry "I AM REPPING AN OVERPAIR") :

I would've been pissed if villain hadn't stacked-off to me 3 times in 200 hands with top pair and 2nd pair meh kicker after this hand.
- thomas76 sitting in seat 1 with $249.40
- Genitruc sitting in seat 2 with $180.00 [Dealer]
- ribberfors sitting in seat 3 with $429.59
- gamekaze sitting in seat 4 with $164.42
- puttoputto sitting in seat 5 with $103.60
- ItchyBack sitting in seat 6 with $133.24

ribberfors posted the small blind - $1.00
gamekaze posted the big blind - $2.00
** Dealing card to Genitruc:
puttoputto folded
ItchyBack folded
thomas76 folded
Genitruc raised - $8.00
ribberfors folded
gamekaze called - $8.00

** Dealing the flop:
gamekaze checked
Genitruc bet - $14.00
gamekaze called - $14.00

** Dealing the turn:
gamekaze checked
Genitruc bet - $33.00
gamekaze called - $33.00

** Dealing the river:
gamekaze checked
Genitruc went all-in - $125.00
gamekaze went all-in - $111.42
gamekaze shows:

Genitruc mucks:
gamekaze wins $330.84 from the main pot

[IowaSkinsFan]

Wow you read good but play bad.

[YeaURBad]

ding ding ding ^^^

perfect example of why a post like this could do more harm then good to a ssnl player or unl player. missapplied concept, and it probally wont even work at that level. I'd say dont try something like this at like 200nl and below.

[Genitruc]

re : hijack

Just meant to say that firing the 3rd barrel can be profitable even when called if villain is playing with u at a few tables.

I logged a few hundred more hands with Mr. Station and tightened up post-flop and got paid off super-light (don't ask me why he was sitting short for the above hand).

If Sauce fires the 3rd barrel here and gets called, villain will remember him as an overaggro monkey for a long, long time.

[sauce123]

.... but i am an overaggro monkey... sigh

now everyone knows my strategery