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  1. #1

    Default AA, big pot, opp shoves turn (25NL)

    Last one from me today, I promise! Opp is a true LAggtard, stats 64/11/1.8 over 70 hands. How is my flop line? I have $16 behind on the turn. Call or fold?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    UTG+1 ($37)
    MP1 ($45.10)
    MP2 ($23.15)
    MP3 ($62.30)
    CO ($24.05)
    Hero ($25)
    SB ($4.75)
    BB ($48.10)
    UTG ($32.85)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A.
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.40, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1.25.

    Flop: ($4.75) T, 9, 5 (3 players)
    SB checks, MP3 bets $3.75, Hero raises to $7.5, SB calls $3.25 (All-In), MP3 calls $3.75.

    Turn: ($23) 5 (3 players, 1 all-in)
    MP3 bets $53.3 (All-In), Hero ????
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    I dont think you can fold the turn against this guy - the 5 is a great card for you. I'm really not sure about the best line on the flop though - your minraise gave him nice odds if he's drawing. I'd probably make a much bigger raise and commit right there. I guess calling the flop and spanking him on the turn is an option.
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    your flop bet is AWFUL, look at the odds your giving the table to play.

    Some opp are less likely to bluff if there is a shorty in the hand and will force a showdown regardless.

    as played i doubt opp has a set. so either draw, 5 or T. and we ahead of T9 but id say he'd raise flop again. anyway its tough spot, call or fold is fine but borderline
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  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    your flop bet is AWFUL, look at the odds your giving the table to play.
    How would you play the flop? How much should I raise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    Quote Originally Posted by Da GOAT
    your flop bet is AWFUL, look at the odds your giving the table to play.
    How would you play the flop? How much should I raise?
    at least 3x opp bet and id add a little more since theres another player
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    4.75 (pot) + 3,75 (bet villain) + 3,75 (your call of villains bet) = 12,25

    That's called a potsized raise
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    I think a raise to ~$12 is good on the flop and i probly call a push there. As played, i cant argue w/ calling or folding. Against a donk like this i try to felt this alot, but this looks an awful lot like a set line.
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    You want to protect your hand on the flop and price out the draws. I raise to around $10-$12.
    Makes the push much easier to call.

    I call here. Put yourself in OPPs place. Do you shove a set or trips on the turn? No. At least anyone who does is not playing $25NL!!

    If you have trips or a set you check the turn to give you a chance to bet again. After all you already raised a flop bet, you must like your hand.

    Flush/Straight draw maybe with a pair thrown in would be my guess. I think that read is right at least enough times to make this call profitable.
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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by gingerwizard
    You want to protect your hand on the flop and price out the draws. I raise to around $10-$12.
    Make your opponents make mistakes by calling for their draws. Raise and raise big.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by gingerwizard
    Flush/Straight draw maybe with a pair thrown in would be my guess. I think that read is right at least enough times to make this call profitable.
    I would guess that read is almost never right. Hed have to be pretty retarded to push a draw when one player is already allin so he cant win by making everyone fold.

    To me it looks more like an overprotective TP/Overpair or maybe even a 5 since the raise was so small on the flop.

    A set turned FH and a draw would both be pretty silly imo but still possible I suppose.
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    make it $13 on the flop and call the turn if he does this IMO.
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    I am scared of absolutely nothing on this board. You now have T9 beat. I just don't see a set open pushing the turn after your flop action especially after the board paired making him a lock-hand Add to that you're getting 2.5:1 and it becomes an easy call.


    Of course you could've avoided all this by raising the flop to $12-15 straight.
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    Thanks everybody for the replies, I agree that I should have raised much more on the flop. Does it make a difference that my minraise put the short stack all in? I think that was my logic behind minraising at the time (probably my flawed tourney thinking again).
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    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    Thanks everybody for the replies, I agree that I should have raised much more on the flop. Does it make a difference that my minraise put the short stack all in? I think that was my logic behind minraising at the time (probably my flawed tourney thinking again).


    you would NEVER play this hand this way in a tourney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    Thanks everybody for the replies, I agree that I should have raised much more on the flop. Does it make a difference that my minraise put the short stack all in? I think that was my logic behind minraising at the time (probably my flawed tourney thinking again).


    you would NEVER play this hand this way in a tourney.
    You're right, I wouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    Thanks everybody for the replies, I agree that I should have raised much more on the flop. Does it make a difference that my minraise put the short stack all in? I think that was my logic behind minraising at the time (probably my flawed tourney thinking again).


    you would NEVER play this hand this way in a tourney.
    You're right, I wouldn't.
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