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 Originally Posted by gabe
Originally Posted by Renton
Originally Posted by zook
Originally Posted by Renton
im pretty sure betting the flop is -ev here vs most players preflop calling ranges at 1/2 fr
I disagree in general, but really disagree without a read.
please explain this mathematically.
the majority of most players's 3bet calling ranges consist of medium to big pairs. This is also a terrible flop to bet if his calling range is medium+ pairs and medium suited connectors.
I suppose if you wanted to augment variance for a little more ev you could shove the turn against the people who call the flop light, but vs unknown thats not gonna work.
sbrugby plays more aggressively than most of us and ive very often seen him check in this spot (6 max though, so take that for what its worth)
the sbrugby thing has NOTHING to do with this. he plays with good players. speaking of which, if you know so much about all these people you are playing against, why arent you completely raping them in ways beside just reraising AQ+? if they open a huge range and only call reraises with medium to big pairs, then 3 bet the shit out of them. make them adjust to you and then this flop will be a very easy bet.
What are you getting at gabe? Who says they open a huge range? An unknown in this game probably only opens the top 8% of hands. I can't imagine that threebetting much more than AQ+ JJ+ is very profitable vs these unknowns because they open such a narrow range to begin with.
Originally Posted by Fnord
Then why are we putting even more money into this pot? You made your play, it didn't get the desired effect pre-flop, flop whiffed badly. If you don't like a flop bet and don't like testing him for all the money, then the line is check/fold.
well, i figured there was some value in representing the K on the turn.
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