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This PF shove is correct, right?

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  1. #1

    Default This PF shove is correct, right?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 (t37002)
    MP2 (t19063)
    MP3 (t18141)
    CO (t8825)
    Hero (t6426)
    SB (t21005)
    BB (t32166)
    UTG (t29185)
    UTG+1 (t58782)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 7.
    UTG calls t800, 2 folds, MP2 calls t800, MP3 calls t800, 1 fold, Hero raises to t6376, 2 folds, UTG folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t5576.

    Flop: (t14752) 5, J, 3 (2 players)

    Turn: (t14752) J (2 players)

    River: (t14752) Q (2 players)

    Final Pot: t14752
  2. #2
    I would push it.
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  3. #3
    I'm not folding and I'm not calling so pushing seems best.
  4. #4
    Easy shove.
  5. #5
    i think i fold it...although pushing you have nice equity...but with 3 limpers, one of them is bound to have 7's beat espically after UTG calls...and to add to that, people called him with other people behind them...i think if you think in terms of gap theory you should fold.

    Also, you dont have first in vigorish...

    i know many people will disagree with this opinion but i just wouldnt feel confident shoving sevens here and im a very aggressive player
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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Roco415
    Also, you dont have first in vigorish...
    I wondered about this. Whether this mattered with 8bb's still remaining. Maybe I could have waited for a situation where I was first in, might give me a little more fold equity (if thats what I'm looking to say). But with mid pp and only 8bb's left, I might not get a better shot, even with the number of limpers in the pot.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Roco415
    i think i fold it...although pushing you have nice equity...but with 3 limpers, one of them is bound to have 7's beat espically after UTG calls...and to add to that, people called him with other people behind them...
    Weak tight much? Limping is not a sign of strength. Most players who have 77 beat here are either folding 88 to a shove or would have raised 99+ preflop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roco415
    i think if you think in terms of gap theory you should fold.
    Gap theory actually says the exact opposite.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gap Theory
    You need a stronger hand to call with than to raise with.
    Thus you can't call with the 77, but you can raise with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roco415
    Also, you dont have first in vigorish...
    This is very true. However the players in thus far have shown tremendous weakness by just limping. Unless one of them is a very tricky player, you could make a case that a push with any two cards is profitable here. Certainly 77 is much better than any two.
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    You might not have first in vigorish, but you definitely have first in raiserish.

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  9. #9
    77 is better statistically than any random hand of course

    Also, you have 6 turns or so before your the in the blinds again, with and that would dwindle your chip stack once more. I think you have to think about within the next 6 turns, what are the chances you are going to be dealt a better hand than 77?

    I think it was a good push
  10. #10
    very trivial push

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