Questions about some Stars 3.20 hands

[zachaser]

Lately I've been experimenting with the Stars 3.20 6max SNG's. Anyone play these regularly? Anyways, here are some hands I had questions about. Comments greatly appreciated.

SNG1

-----Hand 3-----
Heros M = 43.33
PokerStars Game #9862384708: Tournament #50048326, $3.00+$0.25 Holdem No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/05/11 - 18:43:18 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.1w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table 50048326 1 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: RB_NYC (1300 in chips)
Seat 2: xerxes416 (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero (1300 in chips)
Seat 4: jerryvp (840 in chips)
Seat 5: schlum79 (2360 in chips)
Seat 6: gary2769 (1720 in chips)
gary2769: posts small blind 10
RB_NYC: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ah Ac]
xerxes416: folds
Hero: raises 40 to 60
jerryvp: folds
schlum79: calls 60
gary2769: folds
RB_NYC: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [8d 6s 2s]
RB_NYC: checks
Hero: bets 100 <--- What is the minimum bet to chase out flush draws?
schlum79: calls 100
RB_NYC: folds
*** TURN *** [8d 6s 2s] [Jc]
Hero: bets 160 <--- Same as above.
schlum79: calls 160
*** RIVER *** [8d 6s 2s Jc] [3s]
Hero: bets 320
schlum79: raises 320 to 640
Hero: calls 320 <-- I honestly thought he hit the flush, but I went against my gut.
*** SHOW DOWN ***
schlum79: shows [Js Ts] (a flush, Jack high) <--- I normally don't show results, but I realized villain probably stayed in on the turn because he picked up a ton of outs. What is a good bet size to make him make the bad play?

SNG2

-----Hand 14-----
Heros M = 16.23
PokerStars Game #9862893261: Tournament #50049793, $3.00+$0.25 Holdem No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/05/11 - 19:18:48 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.1w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table 50049793 1 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Carl Kolchak (3275 in chips)
Seat 3: Meaz55 (2375 in chips)
Seat 4: theblade1975 (915 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (2435 in chips)
theblade1975: posts small blind 50
Hero: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Ad]
Carl Kolchak: raises 200 to 300
Meaz55: calls 300
theblade1975: folds
Hero: raises 2135 to 2435 and is all-in <-- I don't mind taking it down here, but maybe a reraise would milk more money? How much?

-----Hand 18-----
Heros M = 8.62
PokerStars Game #9862982147: Tournament #50049793, $3.00+$0.25 Holdem No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/05/11 - 19:25:05 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.1w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table 50049793 1 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Carl Kolchak (2975 in chips)
Seat 3: Meaz55 (3440 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (2585 in chips)
Meaz55: posts small blind 100
Hero: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ts Jc]
Carl Kolchak: folds
Meaz55: calls 100
Hero: checks <-- See a flop or shove?

-----Hand 23-----
Heros M = 7.62
PokerStars Game #9863029996: Tournament #50049793, $3.00+$0.25 Holdem No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/05/11 - 19:28:28 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.1w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table 50049793 1 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Carl Kolchak (3475 in chips)
Seat 3: Meaz55 (3240 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero (2285 in chips)
Meaz55: posts small blind 100
Hero: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [2h 2s]
Carl Kolchak: folds
Meaz55: calls 100
Hero: checks <-- Again, shove or fold?

SNG 3

-----Hand 7-----
Heros M = 5.70
PokerStars Game #9879527349: Tournament #50131298, $3.00+$0.25 Holdem No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/05/12 - 18:59:24 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.1w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table 50131298 1 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: Hero (855 in chips)
Seat 3: DRK Star1 (3500 in chips)
Seat 4: tjiem (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: williron (3225 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind 50
DRK Star1: posts big blind 100
Preflop: Hero dealt Q 8
tjiem: folds
williron: folds
Hero: raises 755 to 855 and is all-in <-- Is this a good shove?




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[givememyleg]

1 - I'd make it 80 preflop @ 10/20. As played, the pot is 200 on the flop and you only bet half, which gives a flush almost exact odds to call. On a flop like this I generally bet 2/3 - full pot, so around 160 - 200... no one is folding a flush draw ina $3 anyway. Also you bet too little again on the turn, don't be afraid to bet more. The river is usually a check/call or a bet/fold for me. I know it sucks because he just minraised pretty much making you have to call. The would scare me and I would probably just c/c.

2 - When you have aces you don't just want to take down a pot preflop, you want to get all the chips in. That's a pretty big raise esspeically stacks are so deep. Also, you're on the bubble w/ a shortie so they're probably not calling without a premium hand. I think a better play here would have been re-raising to ~1,000 or so and hoping they call or re-raise. I'd much rather push a hand like AK, but AA is made.

3 - I don't really like a shove here. You are getting pretty short, but are no where near dead. I would see a flop with my TJ in position. Postflop play is underrated in sngs!

4 - This is a bit different as 22 doesn't play postflop at all unless you set it. It pretty much depends on what he will call you with and if he has been limping into your bb a lot. I'm not crazy about shoving or checking, really. Most times I just wuss out and check anyway.

5 - Yes, shove everytime. Nh.

[eugmac]

What is the minimum bet to chase out flush draws?

I hate how this is phrased -- you have to think more along the lines of, what is the right size of bet that makes him make a mistake and CALL, without making him CORRECTLY fold. If nobody chased flushes, there'd be a lot less money to be made in poker. If you bet full pot you'd probably still get a call and maximize his mistake.

[Random_Hero]

What is the minimum bet to chase out flush draws?

I hate how this is phrased -- you have to think more along the lines of, what is the right size of bet that makes him make a mistake and CALL, without making him CORRECTLY fold. If nobody chased flushes, there'd be a lot less money to be made in poker. If you bet full pot you'd probably still get a call and maximize his mistake.

Yeah, you actually want him to call, making his play wrong if you've bet enough so he isn't getting odds to call for the flush.

I usually bet around 3/4 of the pot in these situations. Your only giving him 7/3 (2.3/1) to hit his flush and if he calls he's made a mistake. I NEVER bet the pot in these situations as you save yourself some chips the times when a flush does hit and a mistake is a mistake regardless, on his part.

[givememyleg]

What is the minimum bet to chase out flush draws?

I hate how this is phrased -- you have to think more along the lines of, what is the right size of bet that makes him make a mistake and CALL, without making him CORRECTLY fold. If nobody chased flushes, there'd be a lot less money to be made in poker. If you bet full pot you'd probably still get a call and maximize his mistake.

Yeah, you actually want him to call, making his play wrong if you've bet enough so he isn't getting odds to call for the flush.

I usually bet around 3/4 of the pot in these situations. Your only giving him 7/3 (2.3/1) to hit his flush and if he calls he's made a mistake. I NEVER bet the pot in these situations as you save yourself some chips the times when a flush does hit and a mistake is a mistake regardless, on his part.

Please don't think this way!

[eugmac]

I NEVER bet the pot in these situations as you save yourself some chips the times when a flush does hit and a mistake is a mistake regardless, on his part.

Please don't think this way!

Yeah, just to elaborate, let's say for the sake of argument that you saw his cards, and knew that he had the 9 outs to a flush, and you also knew that he will call a massive overbet push with it. So clearly you should push then, to maximize EV, even if it means losing the maximum when the flush does hit, right?

[Random_Hero]

Ok cool...

I remember reading somewhere (maybe was reffering to cash game cant remember) but it said that you should only bet enough so that they are making a mistake, anymore and your wasting chips as a mistake is a mistake. Would this be right for cash or is it just the same?

I can see now though after eugmacs explanation that you should maximize the EVand if you know they'll call a bigger bet then they should bet that amount.

Cheers...