hand quiz

[Chopper]

what ranges do you put villains on here?

TAG is playing every pot he is in fast and hard. AF like 8. he seems to ignore texture/coordination of boards and bets/raises anyway. however, only plays about 1 in 4 hands. and seems to use position decently.

ROOKIE is new to table. only about 10 hands that i've seen. no reads, but seems to play quite a few hands cheap. havent seen anything out of him post flop yet, as he has folded off the hands he's been involved in, especially to TAG.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($17.95)
CO ($17.25)
Hero ($27.65)
SB ($44.75)
BB ($9.30)
UTG ($22.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, TAG calls $1.15, 1 fold, UTG folds, ROOKIE calls $1, CO folds.

Flop: ($4.50) 4, 3, 2 (3 players)
TAG bets $1.5, ROOKIE raises to $6.25, Hero ??

TAG's play doesnt scare me, but ROOKIE's does. i cant see A5, but i can see a set and/or draw. i also see ROOKIE sick and tired of TAG's shit, and thus, picking his spot. my gut says they are both on an A, maybe one of them hit their weak kicker, too, and are playing the draw, A, and TP in combination?

if thats the case, i should flat out push here, but i dont like the fact i dont close the action here with TAG still to act. i may be ahead, but these lines are kind of weird.

ranges? actions for hero?

[Chopper]

looking at it again, my range for one with "no reads" has 22-JJ, AX, and 56. cant see much else being this aggressive on a rainbow flop w/ the prf'r still to act.

decent range?

[AHiltz]

The fact that you raised preflop, and now rookie isn't waiting to see what you do before making his move on TAG makes me think he has to drawing to 2 outs here. I take some notes and find a better spot.

[Chopper]

cannot seem to get pokerstove to accept multiple ranges for the same villain. i entered JJ-22, A2-AK, 56

and it keeps deleting my A2-AK, 56...leaving me with only JJ-22

what am i doing wrong?

[zook]

Agree with AHiltz.

what am i doing wrong?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-55223.htm

[Chopper]

boy am i going to sound dumb here. but 2 outs? how can he possibly only have 2 outs? unless you mean 2 pair...even that is 4 outs, right?

55 has 6 outs. any 6 has 4 outs. and sets have lots of outs because of the possibility of the boat.

and, i think you were saying good fold, but i'm still not sure, either.

AA would have likely RRed me pf, and you think that hands like 34, and 24 could have called that pf raise? i doubt a 25%er and the rookie would have since the flop wasnt "cheap."

please elaborate

[Chopper]

pokerstove,

thanks for the link, zook.

[Pelion]

They mean he has YOU drawing to 2 outs.

[zook]

AHiltz meant he has YOU drawing to two outs (i.e. he has a set). Somehow my mind filled in the word "you" since I was thinking the same thing.

[litetruck]

I don't think TAG calls with Ax(crap) here OOP unless your image is poo. I think he most likely has a small pp and is betting for info here.

[Chopper]

so, initially, the common theme is rookie has the set, and is not messing around, or thinks we cant get off our overpairs?

glad to see that no one has suggested A5 or 56 yet.

thats where i was with him, too. was a baby set. that was a pretty stinking big raise, but only a little less than half his stack. definitely sent a message.

but still havent seen anyone say, "this is only 25 NL, SHOVE!!"

thought i may see that response, too. lol.

[zenbitz]

Pre-flop... I put them both on implied odds hands. Low PPs, SCs, connectors 78-QJ, AXs.

Tag could lead here with almost anything 1/3rd pot is obvious probe though. Maybe 55/AX gutshot. Rookie has to have a hand here - 55, set, A5, 56. Very rarely pair+gutshot. Either of them could also have 34 for two pair!

I generally don't give guys at these stakes credit for a semi-bluff raise with PFR yet to act, but I think you hand is too strong to fold (duh). Rookie only has psb behind whether or not you call.

I think you should just call. ROOKIE will be a/i on turn either way, and TAG probably has nothing and will fold. If TAG _calls_ then you know he has a draw, so can bug out on a 5, and play cautious with a 6 or 8. If TAG_raises_ then just get out.

Or just say fuck it... KK aRRRRRR---in!

EDIT: I just read choppers last, and LOLs I think I covered all the bases...

[stuck]

why is no one considering that Rookie could have a smaller pocket pair that's not a set (say, 88)? It's far more likely than a set there in any case.

[|~|ypermegachi]

raise more preflop.

TAG's flop bet: i have an overpair.
ROOKIE's raise. i have a set or straight or overpair.
HERO's 3bet $12: i don't give a rats ass.
TAG's fold: ok, my JJ is probably no good.
ROOKIE's all in: haha sucker, money's mine!
HERO's fold: you little shit.

[larsmars]

If you're sure you have TAG beat you're about 50/50 if you put Rookie on a range of 22-JJ, a4, a5, 56. Folding isn't terrible if you don't want to gamble. Calling to see what TAG does isn't that bad either, as Rookie's probably all in on the turn anyway given his stack size. But this is only 25 NL, SHOVE!

[Chopper]

why is no one considering that Rookie could have a smaller pocket pair that's not a set (say, 88)? It's far more likely than a set there in any case.

that was my MAIN concern. i may have given too much credit to the raise. which is why i included the "pissing matches" he had been in with TAG in the few hands i've seen.

i can easily see 77-JJ making this move.

any equity pros want to tell me how i far against JJ-77 and the possibility of A5, 56, sets? and what the equity diff is if i get it all in? is it worth it long term?

[biondino]

The whole "it's only 25NL, ALL IN" idea is flawed here. You have an unknown RAISING on a multiway flop. He has a strong hand. Yes, this strong hand could be an overpair - quite a low one, likely, since he limp/called pre-flop, i.e. 66-TT - but 22-44, A5 and 56 are well withing his range. I *think* I can find a fold here.

[Genitruc]

this is very close

without a solid read on rookie I ship it all in here (turn cards can kill my action vs small overpairs)

[Chopper]

i ran pstove and used my range of

JJ-22, A2s+, A5o, 56s, 56o

i figured that may make it more of a coin flip. granted, i felt a set or 66-JJ most likely. i ran it with both villains, and...

pstove said i had 36% equity vs 31% vs 31%.

i think i was still behind, but maybe should have shoved over anyway.

one thing down in these trenches that gets overlooked, imo. we needn't push here, unless we are more than 50% certain we are good. its not like we dont get this chance in another 15 minutes against these donkeys.

whereas, up at say 100 NL, this may be an edge you need to push because you may not get another chance like this for the week.

big difference.

[sauce123]

this is a super standard fold unless they are uber monkeys and its not even close.

rookies raising range should be 65, set, 2 pair, 45, A4 maybe, and probably not much wider