Medium pocket pairs on the bubble

[bjsaust]

Much value to these?

Wont paste the hand, but 66 on the bubble, slightly shortstacked, with a 4xBB raise from UTG. Call, fold or push?

Thats a specific example, but generally speaking, do these have value on the bubble?

[taipan168]

Post the hand, stack sizes and position are important here.

[bjsaust]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t2235)
BB (t5810)
UTG (t2825)
Button (t2630)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
UTG raises to t600, 3 folds.

Final Pot: t900

[taipan168]

Easy fold. UTG, the second stack, is raising into the big stack's BB so you have to give him credit for something of a hand here. Whilst it is true that low buyin players may still do this with crap like QTo, by the same token they'll likely call your shove with the same crap which is a disaster on the bubble.

[bjsaust]

Hmm, good point.

BB had reraised my steals a couple times, and flop c-bets a couple more. No specific read on UTG, but if he was at all aware he knew BB might come over him so would probably only be raising with decent cards.

[GatorJH]

I agree with Tai here. I am folding this every time.

[parsifals]

Easy fold. UTG, the second stack, is raising into the big stack's BB so you have to give him credit for something of a hand here. Whilst it is true that low buyin players may still do this with crap like QTo, by the same token they'll likely call your shove with the same crap which is a disaster on the bubble.

i think this is true, and i will give the 2nd stack credit in this situation.

however, if i thought he was too aggressive and there was so much as a 25% chance he would fold here i might go after him.

change the situation a little bit to put him on the button and Hero in the BB. this is also a fold if he calls our jam every time. but if even a relatively small part of the time--25% is a good number--he will fold, then a jam is an excellent play. that's where paying attention and knowing your opponents is key.

[Fortune 500]

I fold here. Most shorter stacked players aren't going to make a standard raise without a real hand here. At best, we're racing. We're likely dominated, and if we push over, we're leaving him about 2:1...

Your implied odds aren't there to call, and you're giving odds if you push over. I need a hand better than 66 in this spot. At this point in the game, it's all about all in confrontations, and I don't think I want to go with this here. We're short, but we've still got some breathing room. If our stack were smaller, I'd instapush this and pray.