Is this the spot?

[drmcboy]

20 FO on stars. I have only been at table about 15 minutes. I doubled up FlorMe a couple orbits ago, I raised KJs from CO and he shoved JJ from BB.

TEXASLORD moved to the table after I did and I don't think he had played a hand yet.


PokerStars Game #9617372594: Tournament #48311308, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/04/26 - 13:44:48 (ET)
Table '48311308 75' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: River8000 (13005 in chips)
Seat 2: FlorMe (6155 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: magnolium (9092 in chips)
Seat 4: deputyjunior (4605 in chips)
Seat 5: TEXASLORD (13299 in chips)
Seat 6: LongRun9 (14968 in chips)
Seat 7: Paul Ordeeb (2450 in chips)
Seat 8: cuthbertt (8279 in chips)
Seat 9: sanpat6673 (5020 in chips)
River8000: posts the ante 25
FlorMe: posts the ante 25
magnolium: posts the ante 25
deputyjunior: posts the ante 25
TEXASLORD: posts the ante 25
LongRun9: posts the ante 25
Paul Ordeeb: posts the ante 25
cuthbertt: posts the ante 25
sanpat6673: posts the ante 25
River8000: posts small blind 100
FlorMe: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cuthbertt [Kh Kd]
magnolium: folds
deputyjunior: folds
FlorMe has returned
TEXASLORD: calls 200
LongRun9: folds
Paul Ordeeb: folds
cuthbertt: raises 700 to 900
LongRun9 said, "i need to win we share one pair of flip flops for 5 people"
sanpat6673: folds
River8000: folds
FlorMe: calls 700
TEXASLORD: raises 12374 to 13274 and is all-in
cuthbertt:

[chardrian]

Are you asking if this is the spot where you can fold KK preflop?

If so, I say no.

The limp/push is scary, but it is done with AK enough that you can't fold here.

[Sprayed]

Maybe he took you as a donk from the KJ hand and is pushing wide. I call.

[Zee Devee]

Haven't you had a run of crappy cards for a few orbits and haven't played any? This could easily be a situation like that seeing as he hasn't been there very long.

[drmcboy]

Haven't you had a run of crappy cards for a few orbits and haven't played any? This could easily be a situation like that seeing as he hasn't been there very long.

I always get a hand once an orbit. You guys play orbits without hands? Rigged?

Comment wasn't to say that I had a tight read, just that I didn't have a read at all.


I know this is LC, but I was tempted to get away (I didn't).

I do think if FlorMe had raised/shoved and then Texas came along I should/might have folded.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Folding KK pre with 40BB and an M of like 16 is a crime.

[digitaldoc]

This is one of those times.....and by one of those times, I mean tournament defining hands. I call with the KK. I don't think he pushes with AA. This is more likely an AK hand or QQ-TT hand. If he does have AA, then gg me.

[IowaSkinsFan]

I'd be inclined to think with AA a guy isn't going to be so intent in getting it all in so early.

[johnny_fish]

There are rare occasions where you might think about folding KK.

This is not one of them.

[chardrian]

I'd be inclined to think with AA a guy isn't going to be so intent in getting it all in so early.

Pushing with AA here is a great play.

[drmcboy]

bump because I think I found a spot to fold KK (not mine). This is first hand of a deep stack 50 FO. MP2 has to have AA - especially since UTG knows he has KK?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button (t3000)
Hero (t3000)
BB (t3000)
UTG (t3000)
UTG+1 (t3000)
MP1 (t3000)
MP2 (t3000)
CO (t3000)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J.
UTG calls t20, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t80, 2 folds, Hero raises to t280, 1 fold, UTG raises to t800, MP2 raises to t2800, Hero folds, UTG calls t2220 (All-In).

Flop: (t6120) T, 6, 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t6120) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t6120) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t6120


UTG has Kh Kc (one pair, kings).
MP2 has Ac As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins t6120.