Comments on first hand of table please?

[bjsaust]

Obviously no reads. How would you have played this at all stages?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button (t1500)
SB (t1500)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)
CO (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K, A.
UTG calls t20, UTG+1 calls t20, Hero raises to t100, 2 folds, CO raises to t240, Button calls t240, 2 folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t220, Hero calls t140.

Flop: (t1010) 5, K, 6 (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t1260 (All-In), CO calls t1260 (All-In), Button calls t1260 (All-In), UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (t4790) A (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (t4790) 9 (3 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: t4790

[bjsaust]

A similar spot, but different. Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t1620)
MP1 (t1100)
MP2 (t2625)
CO (t3605)
Button (t1720)
Hero (t1440)
BB (t1390)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, K.
1 fold, MP1 calls t30, MP2 calls t30, CO raises to t210, 1 fold, Hero calls t195, 1 fold, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.

Flop: (t510) 5, 8, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t600, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1110

[taipan168]

First hand: Shove over after CO re-raises and you get two cold callers. If CO has AA or KK then I pay him if I don't suck out. You really don't want to be seeing this flop OOP 4-way.

As played, obviously you have to shove the flop. My guess is that you were ahead until the came on the river.

Second hand: You played this fine. Sucks to play this OOP but the problem is re-raising would commit you and I'm not sure I want to take a flip this early. This is different to the first hand because in that hand you have HUGE overlay from the cold callers giving you odds to flip against 22-QQ.

[drmcboy]

1) gamboooooooooooool

2) Again I shove pre flop, altough I don't mind a fold. I hate calling here, you fold the best hand way too much on the flop. In hand 1 we know opp has a real hand, here there isn't any reason to give him credit.

[bjsaust]

1. Button had a set of 6's so I was never ahead of him after the flop, CO won with Ad10something.

Thanks for feedback guys.

[Sprayed]

I agree with the others, but I want to make sure that you understand that when you are in a situation where you want to raise after limpers and not push, that you should be raising to 3xbb + 1bb for each limper. Some suggest that you add 2bb for each limper. I think that this depends on how loose the table is.

[bjsaust]

Isnt that what I did? 3x20 + 2x20? Or is it 20 + 3x20 + 2x20?

All that aside, this early I probably should have made it 4xBB + 1BB per limper. For simple maths I get it wrong too much.

[Crazy Scot]

[quote="taipan168"]First hand: Shove over after CO re-raises and you get two cold callers. If CO has AA or KK then I pay him if I don't suck out. You really don't want to be seeing this flop OOP 4-way.

As played, obviously you have to shove the flop. My guess is that you were ahead until the came on the river.

Why is this an autos-shove? I am sure I am wrong, but I probably check fold here. What am I missing? Pokerstove says we are 42% to win against three random hands, but given they all called preflop raises we should tighten up the ranges making us less of a favorite right? Suited connectors seem a likely hand for one of them to hold.

[taipan168]

First hand: Shove over after CO re-raises and you get two cold callers. If CO has AA or KK then I pay him if I don't suck out. You really don't want to be seeing this flop OOP 4-way.

As played, obviously you have to shove the flop. My guess is that you were ahead until the came on the river.

Why is this an autos-shove? I am sure I am wrong, but I probably check fold here. What am I missing? Pokerstove says we are 42% to win against three random hands, but given they all called preflop raises we should tighten up the ranges making us less of a favorite right? Suited connectors seem a likely hand for one of them to hold.

The reasons you shove are:
a) you have good fold equity;
b) you'll get called by many worse hands like flush draws, Kx hands and maybe even crap like A6
c) the chance of flopping a flush with two suited cards is less than 1%, so assuming that somebody has a flopped flush is seeing monsters under the bed.

That said I'm not all that comfortable shoving here but I think you have to do it. This situation could have been avoided by just shoving preflop rather than just calling the re-raise.

[bjsaust]

So this was played better?

$1.20 S&G
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t640)
Hero (t1470)
MP1 (t390)
MP2 (t2860)
MP3 (t1450)
CO (t1950)
Button (t1840)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1420)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K.
UTG calls t20, Hero raises to t100, MP1 raises to t390, MP2 calls t390, 5 folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to t1470, MP2 calls t1080.

Flop: (t3380) 9, 4, J (3 players)

Turn: (t3380) 9 (3 players)

River: (t3380) 5 (3 players)

Final Pot: t3380

[taipan168]

So this was played better?

$1.20 S&G
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG (t640)
Hero (t1470)
MP1 (t390)
MP2 (t2860)
MP3 (t1450)
CO (t1950)
Button (t1840)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1420)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K.
UTG calls t20, Hero raises to t100, MP1 raises to t390, MP2 calls t390, 5 folds, UTG folds, Hero raises to t1470, MP2 calls t1080.

Flop: (t3380) 9, 4, J (3 players)

Turn: (t3380) 9 (3 players)

River: (t3380) 5 (3 players)

Final Pot: t3380

Perfect.

[dsmrolla06]

I just shove pf in hand 2 as well.