AJ, 18 left, UB 200k

[JeffreyGB]

Thoughts?

Hand #43564183-420 at Sun5pm200-007 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Started at 17/Jun/07 22:30:58

Dmacm is at seat 1 with 341820.
sterio 48 is at seat 3 with 137470.
UKpaul is at seat 4 with 72950.
BAGGY is at seat 5 with 0 (sitting out).
MavBo is at seat 6 with 158000.
zestfulyclean is at seat 7 with 134600.
smd6971 is at seat 8 with 91020.
TallPaul75 is at seat 9 with 157490.
The button is at seat 1.

Dmacm posts ante (500).
sterio 48 posts ante (500).
UKpaul posts ante (500).
MavBo posts ante (500).
zestfulyclean posts ante (500).
smd6971 posts ante (500).
TallPaul75 posts ante (500).
UKpaul posts the small blind of 2500.
MavBo posts the big blind of 5000.

Dmacm: -- --
sterio 48: -- --
UKpaul: -- --
MavBo: Js Ac
zestfulyclean: -- --
smd6971: -- --
TallPaul75: -- --

Pre-flop:

zestfulyclean folds. smd6971 folds. TallPaul75
folds. Dmacm raises to 15000. sterio 48 folds.
UKpaul folds. MavBo re-raises to 55000. Dmacm goes
all-in for 341320. MavBo folds. Dmacm is returned
286320 (uncalled).



Hand #43564183-420 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
Dmacm wins 116000.

[elipsesjeff]

Your reraise is so huge, almost 4x, that it almost gives your hand away as two overcards. I'd prefer a reraise to 40kish or so, especially if you plan on folding to a push.

I doubt you'd reraise that much with QQ-AA, but I like the fold here with everything but AK obv.

[JeffreyGB]

Your reraise is so huge, almost 4x, that it almost gives your hand away as two overcards. I'd prefer a reraise to 40kish or so, especially if you plan on folding to a push.

I doubt you'd reraise that much with QQ-AA, but I like the fold here with everything but AK obv.

Do you prefer a 40k reraise or a flat call?

[AApoker]

This is a tough spot, the standard line is to make a re-raise. A call seems to make more sense in this case though if he is such an aggressive chip leader that he would 3 bet a lot of hands. Also you are out of position if you flat him... This hand just sucks.

[drmcboy]

With no read, I would just fold if you don't want to play for it all.

[johnny_fish]

Either raise/call or fold. He's probably raising wide enough to raise/call profitably.

Raise/fold turns your hand into 72o (we've had this discussion before).

[Sprayed]

I would just fold. I would be looking to do this against someone with less chips and has more of a tendency to fold to my reraise.

[JeffreyGB]

I should have posted more info on here...got tired and lazy. Villian was running something like 25/18 over the last 100 hands. That included a number of UTG raises (actually seemed to be one of his favorite raising spots). He had also shown me a reasonable amount of respect in the few pots we'd played together.

That said, I think I agree with johnny that I have to be willing to go with this if I make the reraise.

No one is in favor of just calling? Folding seems so weak.

[zenbitz]

I haven't even played an MTT in months, but this seems like an obvious fold given stack sizes. This is the one guy you can't screw around with. If you were on the button I would call. If his stack was small enough that you would cripple him if he lost, I can see re-raising or stop-and-go (although turn your hand into a bluff)

[elipsesjeff]

Either raise/call or fold. He's probably raising wide enough to raise/call profitably.

But is villain pushing enough hands to make the call profitable?

Also, if you're calling the push why not just push yourself?

I dont mind an open fold but I think reraising is better and then folding to a push.

[drmcboy]

Also, if you're calling the push why not just push yourself?

because his range to shove over a re raise is wider than to call our shove. This is also why you can't fold getting 2/1 here.

[mcatdog]

Your reraise is so huge, almost 4x, that it almost gives your hand away as two overcards. I'd prefer a reraise to 40kish or so, and call a push.

I suspect that this player is raising enough hands that re-raise & call shove is a profitable line. I'd also sometimes re-raise to 40K with trash here (and fold to a shove obv) but if I'm re-raising with a good hand, it's so I can call a shove.

Putting in more than 1/3 of my stack and then folding pre-flop is something I don't do under any circumstances.

[elipsesjeff]

Also, if you're calling the push why not just push yourself?

because his range to shove over a re raise is wider than to call our shove.

Is our goal is to have him fold or to see a showdown?

putting in more than 1/3 of my stack and then folding pre-flop is something I don't do under any circumstances.

And that's probably a good thing, but I rarely reraise for 1/3 of my stack without pushing anyway, without hands such as AA-KK and I want action. It's why I wouldn't have raised that much to start with, but if your read is that villain will only 4bet AI with JJ+ and AJ+ you should fold your AJo as you need more than 2-1 to make that call.

He had also shown me a reasonable amount of respect in the few pots we'd played together.

Possibly the #1 reason why it'd be a good spot for a raise/fold line.

[dstir2]

definite fold. i'd wait for a bigger hand to come by that you could use to tangle with the table chip leader. plus, aj out of position is asking too much of yourself as far as reads.