jj late w/ reads

[fdnypoker]

The table is tight. CO has been crazy aggressive and catching making rest of table tight.

What is the play here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP (t1515)
CO (t3955)
Hero (t1340)
SB (t2590)
BB (t2495)
UTG (t1605)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.

[bjsaust]

Umm, what did CO do?

[fdnypoker]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP (t1515)
CO (t3955)
Hero (t1340)
SB (t2590)
BB (t2495)
UTG (t1605)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J.

Final Pot: t150

[bjsaust]

Still nothing :P

That said, it probably doesnt matter. A raise in front, especially from CO and I push over. If folded to me I probably std raise. If pushed by CO I call. If pushed by anyone else...I probably fold. They have to have a hand if they're pushing with a hyper aggressive big stack still to act.

[TLR]

Hero is on the button, we should see the action in front to give any reasonable advice

[fdnypoker]

Sorry...it was late. Everyone folded to me on the button.

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hard_hooker [Jd Jc]
kenaw: folds
Lorenzo6tr: folds
clownfishers: folds

[taipan168]

Standard 3x BB raise.

[fdnypoker]

Tai....when I look at your HH's it seems like you push a lot with various chip levels. Are you doing this against certain players? I'm trying to mix in a little more push/fold in games. What type of player does this work best on.

In this particular hand the blinds were going up next hand which puts me just under 10x BB. I thought about standard 3x raise but that is 30% of my stack. If opp pushes back what do you do??

[badgers]

Tai....when I look at your HH's it seems like you push a lot with various chip levels. Are you doing this against certain players? I'm trying to mix in a little more push/fold in games. What type of player does this work best on.

In this particular hand the blinds were going up next hand which puts me just under 10x BB. I thought about standard 3x raise but that is 30% of my stack. If opp pushes back what do you do??

Call

[Manners]

push

[Random_Hero]

Tai....when I look at your HH's it seems like you push a lot with various chip levels. Are you doing this against certain players? I'm trying to mix in a little more push/fold in games. What type of player does this work best on.

You should be adding push/fold poker to EVERY sng you play. Push fold poker is the way to beat SnG's. once your <10 BB you should be looking for spots to shove all-in. you can push a wider range against tight players.

Push/fold poker is paramount to winning SnG's.

[fdnypoker]

Last few games I've been playing more push/fold. Happen to be pushing into monsters (KK into AA, AKs into KK) or getting outdrawn. Looking back on last 6 tourneys I've had best hand with all my chips in and lost each time. Not a problem as it does happen.

So a good general rule is under 10 BB look to push against tight players. Are you pushing any ace at this point? Any pair? I tend to wait for a little better hand to push and at times get to low. Because there's no fold equity I'm getting callers who would otherwise have folded.

[Sprayed]

With this hand, this short of a table, and this late in the tourney, you want to encourage a call or someone to shove over you. I standard raise it and then go from there.

[bjsaust]

Yeah, I'm loving JJ from the button here. Taking the blinds with a std raise is a good result, getting pushed over is a great result. They might have QQ+, or AQ+ and hit, but generally we're taking a very strong hand in and are probably ahead PF. With our chip stack, getting it AI with this hand is a good thing.

Pushing is like any other action in poker, it should be done for a specific reason. Generally that reason is FE. You're asking your opps 'Do you really have a hand you're prepared to risk that many chips with?', when they just dont know if you have a monster or not. Most of the time they dont. You need a much better hand to call a push with, than you do to push with in the first place. For instance I might push A7o from SB, but generally you should fold A8s from the BB even though you have a better hand (obviously stack sizes and reads come into it).

The lower you get v's the blinds, the more risk you take with your pushes (again, generally speaking). Its a risk v's reward thing. If you're in danger of being blinded out in the next couple of rounds, you need to take a chance to stay alive.

Once you get a hold on push/fold for survivals sake, then you start looking at push/fold for chip growth purposes. What you see from folks like Taipan is that they're not just looking to make it ITM with push/fold, they're looking to grow their stacks during push/fold. You often see Taipan, Badgers, Sprayed, etc (check the threads linked in my request thread) pushing what looks like crap cards when they dont need chips, but they're usually putting the shortstack to a decision for all their chips. Is the shorty going to risk their entire tourney when they're on the bubble by calling a push with anything less than a premium hand? Because of this, they can start pushing with a much wider range. Look at it this way, if shortie will only call with JJ+, AQ+, then is there much difference between pushing with AT and 84? If they call you're behind anyway. In one sense the 84 is likely better because you have 6 outs where you might otherwise only have 3 outs when they call.