Lost with AQs OOP with 3xLimpers

[rubixstreub]

Really wasn't comfortable at all during this hand. Felt like I should have raised it pre-flop but wasn't sure with that many limpers. Flop wasn't good with all those clubs, took a stab on the turn, but I can't think of being ahead of much on the river. I think I've asked this before but is a standard 2.5-3BB raise preflop correct here?

Hero's M = 16.43
Full Tilt Poker Game #2714362916: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (20694412), Table 1 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:50:48 ET - 2007/06/19
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Seat 1: PyramidScheme (1,580)
Seat 2: swiftplay (1,990)
Seat 3: jojo36 (1,715)
Seat 4: writersbloc (2,465)
Seat 6: wr1nemd (3,390)
Seat 7: swm66 (990)
jojo36 posts the small blind of 50
writersbloc posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #2
Preflop: writersbloc dealt A Q
NotInMahHouse folds
wr1nemd folds
swm66 folds
PyramidScheme calls 100
swiftplay calls 100
jojo36 has been disconnected
jojo36 has reconnected
jojo36 calls 50
writersbloc checks
Flop: J Q 5
jojo36 checks
writersbloc checks
PyramidScheme checks
swiftplay checks
Turn: 7
jojo36 checks
writersbloc bets 250
PyramidScheme folds
swiftplay folds
jojo36 calls 250
River: K
jojo36 bets 450
writersbloc folds
Uncalled bet of 450 returned to jojo36
jojo36 mucks
jojo36 wins the pot (900)

[dstir2]

standard raise is not correct here. 3 reasons. first, the blinds aren't at the level yet were it's justified to raise aqs. secondly, the sole fact that nine players are at the table weakens your hand dramatically. thirdly, you have awful position. next time, take the stab at the pot after the flop and stall if you find any strong resistance.

[taipan168]

I would shove it preflop and expect to get all folds. If called, I'd expect to either have the best hand or at worst be flipping.

Whenever you have a strong (but not invincible) hand like AK, AQ, TT/JJ etc, the chips in the pot preflop are more than 15% of your stack and nobody has shown any strength, I'm shoving it every time preflop.

As played, why didn't you bet the flop? The chance of somebody flopping a flush with two suited cards is like 0.8%, you can't be scared of that with TPTK. I'd bet 300 and see what happens.

[bjsaust]

I would shove it preflop and expect to either get all folds. If called, I'd expect to either have the best hand or at worst be flipping.

Whenever you have a strong (but not invincible) hand like AK, AQ, TT/JJ etc, the chips in the pot preflop are more than 15% of your stack and nobody has shown any strength, I'm shoving it every time preflop.

As played, why didn't you bet the flop? The chance of somebody flopping a flush with two suited cards is like 0.8%, you can't be scared of that with TPTK. I'd bet 300 and see what happens.

Wow, interesting advice, that play hadnt occurred to me. I'll try to store that one away for future use.

Def bet flop though, chances of a flopped flush are very low. Treat it as best hand till someone tells you otherwise.

[rubixstreub]

Yeah, my first thought was to push (can't remember the name of that move, push from the BB with multiple limper, but I know I'd seen some of the more aggressive players pull it off)

Good advice on the flop. I guess I see a flop all of one suit with this many people and think any donk with a club is gonna hang around.

[Geanosssss]

''standard raise is not correct here. 3 reasons. first, the blinds aren't at the level yet were it's justified to raise aqs. secondly, the sole fact that nine players are at the table weakens your hand dramatically. thirdly, you have awful position.''

ur saying u wouldnt raise here?!?
And wat u on about ''the blinds aren't at the level yet were it's justified to raise aqs'' their at 50/100. the only thing correct about ur analysis is that ur in awful position.

How i see it is that youve got 3 late postition limpers, one from the small blind (and at these stakes thats about the average amount of limpers neway). Youve got a strong hand which is quite definitely the best considering all these players have limped from late position..so raise!!
Chances are they all fold or u get the pot down to heads up with AQs, sure ur OOP but niether of these is a bad result. I dont see any of these players reraising u here.

As played tho u shoulda bet the flop as others have sed u cant spend ur life worrying about flopped flushes. Turn bet is fine ( i prefer a bit bigger, bet the pot is always good here). And ur right ur propably beat at the river but hes betting small and i doubt he slowplayed his flush that bad, he propably missed his flush nd is trying to take it down or had the K high flush draw and paired his king. Fold is fine tho.

[Liam^]

With regards to a flop bet here, I seem to remember reading something that says if you're only called you might still be ahead. Did I imagine this or is it about something else?

[Fnord]

Money too shallow not to raise this pre-flop.

I would make it 750 flat and shove any flop.

[Random_Hero]

I would shove it preflop and expect to either get all folds. If called, I'd expect to either have the best hand or at worst be flipping.

Whenever you have a strong (but not invincible) hand like AK, AQ, TT/JJ etc, the chips in the pot preflop are more than 15% of your stack and nobody has shown any strength, I'm shoving it every time preflop.

As played, why didn't you bet the flop? The chance of somebody flopping a flush with two suited cards is like 0.8%, you can't be scared of that with TPTK. I'd bet 300 and see what happens.

Wow, interesting advice, that play hadnt occurred to me. I'll try to store that one away for future use.

That was my reaction when I read this. I would never ever have thought about shoving this PF with 2nd biggest stack!! I suppose limping should be seen as weakness and there's a very very slim chance someone will call a shove. I'll bear this in mind.

As played I defo raise PF. I make it 500-600 to go. On the rare occasion someone calls the raise then I'm shoving this flop.