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    Default Stop and go, fold, or push...? $22

    Button has been stealing my blinds religiously. I don't know if he's gotten a good run of cards, but he's stolen my BB for the past 3 orbits. He has also folded to the SB's BB (if you follow) on a couple of occasions. Also, he has been running down the time bank on every decision, which may have tilted me slightly....

    My first thought was that this was a fold. Then I remembered his previous min-raise steals and thought about pushing. But I thought I could manipulate some FE with a Stop and Go here. Is this a good place to use it?

    NL Texas Hold'em $22 USD Buy-in Trny: 34070148 Level: 5 Blinds(200/400) - Thursday, June 21, 05:10:20 ET 2007

    Seat 4 is the button
    Total number of players : 4

    Seat 1: CO ( 8,540 )
    Seat 4: BUTTON ( 5,750 )
    Seat 5: SB ( 3,020 )
    Seat 7: badgers_uk ( 2,690 )
    Trny: 34070148 Level: 5
    Blinds(200/400)
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to badgers_uk [ Ad Jd ]
    CO folds.
    BUTTON raises [800]
    SB folds.
    badgers_uk ...
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    Whatever you do, don't fold. Push and stop-n-go are both good, not sure you have enough information to know which one would be better.
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    Id rather just get it all in here pf than do a stop and go. Your hands way ahead of his range to need to do a stop and go here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcatdog
    Whatever you do, don't fold. Push and stop-n-go are both good, not sure you have enough information to know which one would be better.
    Yeah, I think I gave him too much credit for a hand when he raised, due to the fact that he'd folded to the SB the hand before. He definately wasn't on ATC though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmrolla06
    Id rather just get it all in here pf than do a stop and go. Your hands way ahead of his range to need to do a stop and go here.
    I don't think the question is so much whether I'm ahead of his range. It's the bubble and I'm short - I'm dying for a fold. It's more just a question of which will get me more FE, or do I have so little that I should let it go.
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    Why are you looking for fold equity if you probly have the best hand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmrolla06
    Why are you looking for fold equity if you probly have the best hand?
    I wouldn't call if he'd pushed in this situation, so why would I want him to call?

    Maybe I'm just playing the bubble shortstack all wrong With another shortstack, I'm hoping to get to ITM. Considering my position to the right of the bigstack maybe I should be looking to gamble here. What does SitnGo Wiz /SNGPT say if you put in that he shoved? Say like, top 30% range for him..
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    The only way you make the money is by maintaining or growing your chips. If you can steal once per orbit, then it doesnt actually matter that much if your BB is getting stolen a lot. On the other hand, if you're bleeding chips, you need to get a nice chunk of them somehow. This is a good spot. You're never letting this go.

    I push, but thats because as a general rule I dont bother with tricky poker. Theres 1400 chips in the pot, they'd look nice added to your pile. If he calls, you've got to be ahead of a lot of his range with the read you have.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    Putting it into sngpt and considering it a push, he has to be pushing 44+, A7s+, A9o+, and KJs+ or wider to make it +ev. Youll also have to factor in that youll have some fold equity against this range making it even more +ev.
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    Ok ty, seems like I'm going to have to sort out my short stack bubble play in order to play the $22s profitably. I can't just sit and wait for them to donk each other out like at the $11s.

    Cheers.

    Incidentally, I stopped and ...went, flop came K high, opp flips over AK. gg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmrolla06
    Id rather just get it all in here pf than do a stop and go. Your hands way ahead of his range to need to do a stop and go here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmrolla06
    Id rather just get it all in here pf than do a stop and go. Your hands way ahead of his range to need to do a stop and go here.
    Ya, what he said.
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    I agree with Tai (pretty safe answer ). Also, I like villains to see they can't fuck about with me, that I will push over their raises when necessary.
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    What does SitnGo Wiz /SNGPT say if you put in that he shoved? Say like, top 30% range for him..
    It says ur equity is 60.514% against a 30% range. Although id have to say his range is something more like 40% if hes been stealing ur BB religously.
    fold here = dumb
    stop n go = gives ur opponent a chance 2 turn easy PF fold into an insta-call
    all-in = good move considering his range and the fact that ur the short stack that needs to make a move. And what a better time to do it? Hes been stealing ur blind religiously nd youve got a good hand which beats the majority of his range.
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    God, poker is a game that can really mess with your head. A nice run and for some reason you start to think you know what you're doing. It's not hard to see why people go busto. I'm going to get SnGWiz and really sort out my SS push/fold game. At least I've got you guys to tell me how much I of a donkey I am I'll go back to the $11s until I'm happier with my push/fold play.

    Thanks guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badgers
    I'm going to get SnGWiz
    All serious SNG players need to get either SNG Wiz or SNGPT at some stage.

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