This was an interesting hand, thoughts? ($6.50)

[bjsaust]

Very early (hand 5) so no reads. Funny little flop bet looks like some whacky out of position steal attempt so I put in a hefty raise. Calling that makes me worry about a set or two pair though. Turn bet seemed too small to fold to given I still dont know if I'm ahead or behind, but I dont want to commit more money if I'm beaten and drawing dead. River is obviously nice but I still dont beat the hands that had me worried after the flop, so I just flat call the strange small river bet.

Thoughts?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 (t1580)
MP2 (t1490)
MP3 (t1740)
CO (t1440)
Button (t1460)
SB (t1400)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1260)
Hero (t1630)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A.
1 fold, Hero raises to t80, 1 fold, MP2 calls t80, 3 folds, SB calls t70, BB calls t60.

Flop: (t320) 6, 8, 2 (4 players)
SB bets t40, BB folds, Hero raises to t280, MP2 folds, SB calls t240.

Turn: (t880) 3 (2 players)
SB bets t60, Hero calls t60.

River: (t1000) K (2 players)
SB bets t60, Hero calls t60.

Final Pot: t1120

[donkbee]

What, there's post flop in these things?

I instafold the flop in a multiway pot. Why would he steal as first to act on the flop? He probably just has some shitty low pair, but it's still better than your hand (on the flop).

[bjsaust]

Because this is donk land.

People see an all low card flop and think they can min-bet and steal it if noone hit. If thats the case, then my reraise should make him think high pocket pair (believable based on actions).

Not saying my thinkings right, but thats what it was.

[taipan168]

I agree with courtie, it pains me to do it but I fold the flop. If it had been just one player seeing the flop I would raise it like you did (although probably a bit less - I'd make it 200 to go).

As played, you have to call the donkbets on the turn and the river.

Because this is donk land.

People see an all low card flop and think they can min-bet and steal it if noone hit. If thats the case, then my reraise should make him think high pocket pair (believable based on actions).

Ah, but the flipside of this is that they will never fold their A8/A6/77/whatever!

[bjsaust]

True, point taken, I'll try to learn from this. There was 360 in the pot, so the bet was designed to take odds away if villian was on a draw with a small semi-bluff.

This was a case of the poker master patting the dog on the head after he peed on the carpet. Villian had Kc5c on a flush draw and gutshot on the turn.

[mcatdog]

Raise river to 500 IMO. You obviously have the best hand, and even if he usually folds, he'll call occasionally.

[bjsaust]

Obviously? You find a lower pair or busted draw the most likely result based on betting? I didnt know what to make of it so played it safe.

[taipan168]

Raise river to 500 IMO. You obviously have the best hand, and even if he usually folds, he'll call occasionally.

Problem is you run into a very badly played set often enough to make just flat calling here the best option IMO.

[mcatdog]

If he had even bet 200 I could get on board with calling because you're scared of a set, but not when he bets 60 (because the tinier his bet is, the more terrible he probably is).

[taipan168]

If he had even bet 200 I could get on board with calling because you're scared of a set, but not when he bets 60 (because the tinier his bet is, the more terrible he probably is).

Good point, you're probably right. I wouldn't feel so bad stacking off with TPTK against this guy if he does have a set I guess.

[bjsaust]

I dunno. Thats one problem at these stakes, the players may be bad, but sometimes they're bad in different ways.

You're probably right (and in this case you were), I've just been bitten before by people who think this small bet version of a slowplay is the greatest move in poker.

[badgers]

I've just been bitten before by people who think this small bet version of a slowplay is the greatest move in poker.

This is sooo true. I used to play like that until I realised that most of my opposition can hardly tell the diffence between a minbet and an overbet.

[rubixstreub]

Yeah, I don't like your flop bet either with this many folks involved. You're right, the low level SnG's are full of donks, but if there's one thing you can count on, it's not being able to push them off their crap middle/bottom pairs, gutshots, or flush draws. It's all about pushing value when you have the best hand, and with this many people involved I would doubt you have it.

They don't understand the concept of odds and in their mind they're just one card away from having a great hand. Perhaps I can see perhaps making this play against a single player, but in a multiway pot I don't like it.