$6.50 tourney - unlucky, bad play, or out played?

[bjsaust]

I got a nice stack of chips here and lost them all to come 5th. Most of my losses were with >10x BB when I std raised and got shoved over.


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---Tournament Summary---
$5.50 SNG: Finished 5/9 for $0
Data for 45 hands.
You played 12 hands (26.67%)
You raised 7 times preflop (15.56%)

9 Q MP1 (M = 50.00; c+f+F)
2 7 UTG+1 (M = 50.00; f+F)
T 6 UTG (M = 50.00; F)

-----Hand 1-----
Hero's M = 50.00
PokerStars Game #10672070832: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/06/28 - 22:40:15 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kfbs (1550 in chips)
Seat 2: roephish (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (1350 in chips)
Seat 5: acesup84 (1480 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (1670 in chips)
Seat 8: BMoneyLess (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: BIG LIGITY (1500 in chips)
acesup84: posts small blind 10
BjsAust: posts big blind 20
Preflop: BjsAust dealt 6 3
JOMES25: calls 20
BMoneyLess: folds
BIG LIGITY: folds
kfbs: calls 20
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
ptownputter: folds
acesup84: folds
BjsAust: checks
Flop: A 9 5
BjsAust: checks
JOMES25: checks
kfbs: bets 60
BjsAust: folds
JOMES25: folds
kfbs collected 70 from pot
kfbs: doesn't show hand


3 5 SB (M = 49.33; f+f+f+r+f+f+f+F)
6 3 BU (M = 32.67; f+f+f+c+r+f+F)
T K CO (M = 32.67; f+f+f+r+f+F)
4 7 CO-1 (M = 32.67; f+f+c+f+F)

-----Hand 2-----
Hero's M = 32.67
PokerStars Game #10672154194: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/06/28 - 22:45:20 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: kfbs (1735 in chips)
Seat 2: roephish (1550 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (1410 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (1785 in chips)
Seat 5: acesup84 (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (1170 in chips)
Seat 8: BMoneyLess (1455 in chips)
Seat 9: BIG LIGITY (1455 in chips)
kfbs: posts small blind 15
roephish: posts big blind 30
Preflop: BjsAust dealt T T
Ridin2Aces: calls 30
ptownputter: folds
acesup84: folds
BjsAust: calls 30
JOMES25: calls 30
BMoneyLess: folds
BIG LIGITY: folds
kfbs: calls 15
roephish: checks
Flop: 5 8 6
kfbs: checks
roephish: checks
Ridin2Aces: checks
BjsAust: bets 130
JOMES25: folds
kfbs: folds
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
BjsAust collected 150 from pot
BjsAust: doesn't show hand


Q 7 MP1 (M = 35.33; c+f+F)
T 9 UTG+1 (M = 21.20; f+F)
5 4 UTG+1 (M = 21.20; f+F)
7 8 BB (M = 21.20; f+f+f+f+r+f+f+F)
5 9 SB (M = 20.53; f+f+c+f+f+f+F)

-----Hand 3-----
Hero's M = 20.20
PokerStars Game #10672241915: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/06/28 - 22:50:46 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: kfbs (1705 in chips)
Seat 2: roephish (1455 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (1250 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (1590 in chips)
Seat 5: acesup84 (1820 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (1515 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (2710 in chips)
Seat 9: BIG LIGITY (1455 in chips)
JOMES25: posts small blind 25
BIG LIGITY: posts big blind 50
Preflop: BjsAust dealt 9 K
kfbs: folds
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
ptownputter: folds
acesup84: folds
BjsAust: raises 100 to 150
JOMES25: folds
BIG LIGITY: folds
BjsAust collected 125 from pot
BjsAust: doesn't show hand


6 7 CO (M = 21.20; f+f+f+f+F)
2 Q MP2 (M = 10.60; f+f+r+F)

-----Hand 4-----
Hero's M = 10.60
PokerStars Game #10672270174: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/06/28 - 22:52:31 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: kfbs (1680 in chips)
Seat 2: roephish (1355 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (1250 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (1590 in chips)
Seat 5: acesup84 (1970 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (1590 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (2685 in chips)
Seat 9: BIG LIGITY (1380 in chips)
roephish: posts small blind 50
Ridin2Aces: posts big blind 100
Preflop: BjsAust dealt A K
ptownputter: folds
acesup84: folds
BjsAust: raises 200 to 300
JOMES25: calls 300
BIG LIGITY: folds
kfbs: folds
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
Flop: 2 4 7
BjsAust: bets 350
JOMES25: folds
BjsAust collected 750 from pot
BjsAust: doesn't show hand


8 J UTG+1 (M = 13.60; f+F)
8 2 UTG (M = 13.60; F)
T 6 BB (M = 13.60; f+f+f+f+p+f+f+F)

I didnt pay enough attention to his stack size here. If I had, should my c-bet have been for all his chips, or not c-bet for just that reason?

-----Hand 5-----
Hero's M = 12.93
PokerStars Game #10672312733: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/06/28 - 22:55:09 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kfbs (1680 in chips)
Seat 2: roephish (1455 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (1250 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (1440 in chips)
Seat 5: acesup84 (1820 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (1940 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (2635 in chips)
Seat 9: BIG LIGITY (1280 in chips)
BjsAust: posts small blind 50
JOMES25: posts big blind 100
Preflop: BjsAust dealt A T
BIG LIGITY: calls 100
kfbs: folds
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
ptownputter: folds
acesup84: folds
BjsAust: raises 300 to 400
JOMES25: folds
BIG LIGITY: calls 300
Flop: 4 8 J
BjsAust: bets 500
BIG LIGITY: calls 500
Turn: A
BjsAust: bets 1040 and is all-in
BIG LIGITY: calls 380 and is all-in
River: T
Showdown:
BjsAust: shows A T (two pair, Aces and Tens)
BIG LIGITY: shows J Q (a pair of Jacks)
BjsAust collected 2660 from pot


T 7 BU (M = 22.13; r+f+f+f+F)
T 9 CO (M = 22.13; f+f+f+F)
4 4 MP1 (M = 14.76; c+f+F)
3 9 UTG+1 (M = 14.76; f+F)
6 2 UTG (M = 14.76; F)

-----Hand 6-----
Hero's M = 14.76
PokerStars Game #10672400109: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/06/28 - 23:00:40 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: kfbs (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: roephish (1355 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (1400 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (2040 in chips)
Seat 5: acesup84 (1670 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (3320 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (2235 in chips)
acesup84: posts small blind 75
BjsAust: posts big blind 150
Preflop: BjsAust dealt 5 3
JOMES25: folds
kfbs: folds
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
ptownputter: calls 150
acesup84: folds
BjsAust: checks
Flop: 2 5 Q
BjsAust: checks
ptownputter: checks
Turn: T
BjsAust: checks
ptownputter: checks
River: T
BjsAust: checks
ptownputter: checks
Showdown:
BjsAust: shows 5 3 (two pair, Tens and Fives)
ptownputter: mucks hand
BjsAust collected 375 from pot


J 8 SB (M = 15.76; f+f+f+f+f+F)
5 Q BU (M = 11.57; f+p+f+p+F)

This limp was wrong. Fold it or raise it from this position?

-----Hand 7-----
Hero's M = 11.57
PokerStars Game #10672432271: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/06/28 - 23:02:43 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: kfbs (1280 in chips)
Seat 2: roephish (1355 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (3100 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (1890 in chips)
Seat 5: acesup84 (195 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (3470 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (2210 in chips)
kfbs: posts small blind 100
roephish: posts big blind 200
Preflop: BjsAust dealt K J
Ridin2Aces: calls 200
ptownputter: folds
acesup84: calls 195 and is all-in
BjsAust: calls 200
JOMES25: folds
kfbs: calls 100
roephish: checks
Flop: 3 6 T
kfbs: checks
roephish: checks
Ridin2Aces: checks
BjsAust: checks
Turn: J
kfbs: checks
roephish: bets 200
Ridin2Aces: calls 200
BjsAust: calls 200
kfbs: folds
River: A
roephish: checks
Ridin2Aces: checks
BjsAust: checks
Showdown:
roephish: shows T 7 (a pair of Tens)
Ridin2Aces: shows K J (a pair of Jacks)
BjsAust: shows K J (a pair of Jacks)
Ridin2Aces collected 310 from side pot
BjsAust collected 310 from side pot
acesup84: mucks hand
Ridin2Aces collected 488 from main pot
BjsAust collected 487 from main pot


3 J MP1 (M = 12.89; c+F)
T Q UTG (M = 12.89; F)

-----Hand 8-----
Hero's M = 12.89
PokerStars Game #10672476523: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/06/28 - 23:05:35 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: roephish (855 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (3098 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (3070 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (3867 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (2610 in chips)
ptownputter: posts small blind 100
BjsAust: posts big blind 200
Preflop: BjsAust dealt 6 3
JOMES25: calls 200
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: calls 200
ptownputter: folds
BjsAust: checks
Flop: J K 2
BjsAust: checks
JOMES25: checks
Ridin2Aces: checks
Turn: J
BjsAust: checks
JOMES25: checks
Ridin2Aces: checks
River: 7
BjsAust: checks
JOMES25: checks
Ridin2Aces: checks
Showdown:
BjsAust: shows 6 3 (a pair of Jacks)
JOMES25: shows Q 7 (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
Ridin2Aces: mucks hand
JOMES25 collected 700 from pot



-----Hand 9-----
Hero's M = 12.22
PokerStars Game #10672486643: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/06/28 - 23:06:15 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: roephish (855 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (2898 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (2970 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (3667 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (3110 in chips)
BjsAust: posts small blind 100
JOMES25: posts big blind 200
Preflop: BjsAust dealt J 8
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
ptownputter: folds
BjsAust: raises 300 to 500
JOMES25: calls 300
Flop: Q 9 K
BjsAust: checks
JOMES25: checks
Turn: 2
BjsAust: checks
JOMES25: checks
River: 3
BjsAust: checks
JOMES25: checks
Showdown:
BjsAust: shows J 8 (high card King)
JOMES25: shows 8 8 (a pair of Eights)
JOMES25 collected 1000 from pot


3 J BU (M = 7.45; r+f+F)
T 7 CO (M = 7.39; f+F)

Shove over #1. A9s from UTG 5 handed. Too loose?

-----Hand 10-----
Hero's M = 7.33
PokerStars Game #10672519109: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/06/28 - 23:08:22 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: roephish (305 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (3698 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (2920 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (3117 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (3460 in chips)
All players post the ante 25
Ridin2Aces: posts small blind 100
ptownputter: posts big blind 200
Preflop: BjsAust dealt A 9
BjsAust: raises 300 to 500
JOMES25: raises 2935 to 3435 and is all-in
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
ptownputter: folds
BjsAust: folds
JOMES25 collected 1425 from pot


3 8 BB (M = 6.10; f+p+f+c+F)
5 J SB (M = 5.57; p+f+f+F)
3 5 BU (M = 5.28; r+f+F)

Shove over #2, QT from CO. I figured JOMES was calling fairly loose from BB, so I'd try stealing from the next couple along instead. BB had been passive, not sure if he had a great hand or just had seen me fold to a shove over already so did the same.

-----Hand 11-----
Hero's M = 5.22
PokerStars Game #10672547925: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/06/28 - 23:10:15 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 2: roephish (1010 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (3923 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (2365 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (2217 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (3985 in chips)
All players post the ante 25
roephish: posts small blind 100
Ridin2Aces: posts big blind 200
Preflop: BjsAust dealt T Q
ptownputter: folds
BjsAust: raises 400 to 600
JOMES25: folds
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: raises 3298 to 3898 and is all-in
BjsAust: folds
Ridin2Aces collected 1425 from pot


2 6 UTG (M = 3.75; F)
2 8 BB (M = 3.69; f+f+r+f+F)

Checked after and SnGPT agreed shove was +EV here even with BB calling very loose.

-----Hand 12-----
Hero's M = 3.16
PokerStars Game #10672562196: Tournament #54071399, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/06/28 - 23:11:11 (ET)
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Table '54071399 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: roephish (835 in chips)
Seat 3: Ridin2Aces (4998 in chips)
Seat 4: ptownputter (2415 in chips)
Seat 6: BjsAust (1342 in chips)
Seat 7: JOMES25 (3910 in chips)
All players post the ante 25
BjsAust: posts small blind 100
JOMES25: posts big blind 200
Preflop: BjsAust dealt 5 8
roephish: folds
Ridin2Aces: folds
ptownputter: folds
BjsAust: raises 1117 to 1317 and is all-in
JOMES25: calls 1117
Flop: Q 7 2
Turn: 7
River: 6
Showdown:
BjsAust: shows 5 8 (a pair of Sevens)
JOMES25: shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Sevens)
JOMES25 collected 2759 from pot



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[taipan168]

Looks pretty much OK, only hand I didn't like was the standard raise in Hand 11. Stacks are just too shallow for this play.

5. ATo - yes, just put opp AI on the flop if you are going to c-bet (which I would).

6. 53o - I'd bet the river for 1/2 pot, you're very likely good here since opp showed no strength. If he had a Q or T he would have bet somewhere.

7. KJo - yes, don't limp it preflop, just let it go. If you were in the SB it would of course be a different matter.

9. J8o - whilst as a general rule I think about not c-betting a flop with two broadways or an A, I think I would have bet 600 here. Your stack is deep enough to take the hit if you have to fold.

10. A9s - with your stack size I don't hate this. Either what you did or folding are both fine. Quite read dependent on the table.

11. QTo - I'd dump it from the CO. When your stack is getting down to 11-12x BB you need to save your chips for a shoving spot, you basically can't standard raise any more - and SNGPT will tell you this is not a shove.

12. 85o - no choice, you have to shove although I hate having to shove into the big stack. Unlucky that he had a monster hand.

[Fnord]

7. KJo - yes, don't limp it preflop, just let it go. If you were in the SB it would of course be a different matter.

Pre-flop is probably fine.

Must raise that turn.

[bjsaust]

10. A9s - with your stack size I don't hate this. Either what you did or folding are both fine. Quite read dependent on the table.

The blinds were playing fairly tight and passive, JOMES was very loose and somewhat aggressive. I considered he might call here, but otherwise expected a fold. I had stolen his blinds before so he didnt like me, but this time they werent his I was after.

[bjsaust]

7. KJo - yes, don't limp it preflop, just let it go. If you were in the SB it would of course be a different matter.

Pre-flop is probably fine.

Must raise that turn.

Yeah, I wasnt sure there. I'm still trying to work out how aggressive to be with medium hands like this one.

[Fnord]

Yeah, I wasnt sure there. I'm still trying to work out how aggressive to be with medium hands like this one.

Raising to around 1k puts eveyone who figures to be able to call all-in.

[bjsaust]

Yeah, but in this case I'm in the hand with another 3k+ stack and a 3 flush on the board. Do I want to build the pot here?

[Fnord]

Yeah, but in this case I'm in the hand with another 3k+ stack and a 3 flush on the board. Do I want to build the pot here?

The deep stack just called the 200. I think he folds to your raise a very large % of the time. When he does call, he's got to wonder if you have 2pr or a set or flush or something too.

[Fnord]

Ask yourself: Why are you cool with shoving rags pre-flop, but not cool with shoving a lukewarm hand post-flop when no one has shown much strength? Sometimes you run into Aces, sometimes you run into a flush, sometimes you run into a set. Usually you're good. Same shit, different street.

[bjsaust]

Ok. That smoothcall did look more like a draw than a flush.

Is this basically a squeezeplay except I actually do have something behind it?

[Fnord]

Is this basically a squeezeplay except I actually do have something behind it?

Between the protected pot and the action + other stacks you know that they know you can't be bluffing here. You just happen to have one of the weaker hands in your range.

[bjsaust]

Ask yourself: Why are you cool with shoving rags pre-flop, but not cool with shoving a lukewarm hand post-flop when no one has shown much strength? Sometimes you run into Aces, sometimes you run into a flush, sometimes you run into a set. Usually you're good. Same shit, different street.

Good point.

Thanks for replies .