99 shove in $10 rebuy

[andr3w321]

$10 Rebuy on stars
240 people left
225 make the money
thoughts?

PokerStars Game #10724322999: Tournament #53512580, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1000/2000) - 2007/07/02 - 01:22:57 (ET)
Table '53512580 174' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: REGOR15 (57115 in chips)
Seat 2: 1cardleft4me (35329 in chips)
Seat 3: xxNOEL22xx (11610 in chips)
Seat 4: andr3w321 (26545 in chips)
Seat 5: sanbartolo (31431 in chips)
Seat 6: fever448 (30478 in chips)
Seat 7: mgpferreira (20160 in chips)
Seat 8: Gates option (37680 in chips)
Seat 9: Glad8tor (85146 in chips) is sitting out
REGOR15: posts the ante 100
1cardleft4me: posts the ante 100
xxNOEL22xx: posts the ante 100
andr3w321: posts the ante 100
sanbartolo: posts the ante 100
fever448: posts the ante 100
mgpferreira: posts the ante 100
Gates option: posts the ante 100
Glad8tor: posts the ante 100
mgpferreira: posts small blind 1000
Gates option: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to andr3w321 [9h 9d]
Glad8tor: folds
REGOR15 has timed out
REGOR15: folds
REGOR15 is sitting out
1cardleft4me: folds
Glad8tor is connected
Glad8tor has returned
xxNOEL22xx: folds
andr3w321: raises 24445 to 26445 and is all-in

[chardrian]

standard

[dstir2]

i don't think a push is necessary here. the stacks behind you are around your size, so you're really only getting called by a better hand if it's out there. i'd raise 5500-6000 and hope no one calls. if someone does, i'd push any flop w/o an ace,king, or queen.

[AApoker]

I like it, the point here is you can make it 5000-6000 to go, however if someone shoves over the top of you, you aren't folding in this spot. Therefore just shove all your chips in now and let these ppl know they have no fold equity. If someone behind you wakes up with a bigger pair, oh well, gg you. If someone wakes up with AK, good you welcome the flip.

[andr3w321]

I posted because it was so close to the money. I am fairly sure I could have just folded to the money in this spot. My M is something like 7 and considering people's calling ranges I almost think pushing any Ace is better than pushing 9s here.

[chardrian]

I posted because it was so close to the money. I am fairly sure I could have just folded to the money in this spot. My M is something like 7 and considering people's calling ranges I almost think pushing any Ace is better than pushing 9s here.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

1) Who cares about making the money?? Whoop dee doo - you just made your buyin back and maybe you can play again tomorrow... the point is to make the final table. The bigger point is to make the top three. The biggest point is to win. Your cash influx from playing MTTs does not come from merely making the money, it comes from getting final tables and more importantly top three finishes.

2) You are just wrong about the value of 99 compared to Ax. If you believe that calling ranges have you crushed here presumably you are thinking that range is something like AQ+, TT+. Ax is about a 27% winner against that range. 99 is more like 37%.

[dntpushme]

I think it's a no-brainer. Push!

[AApoker]

I posted because it was so close to the money. I am fairly sure I could have just folded to the money in this spot. My M is something like 7 and considering people's calling ranges I almost think pushing any Ace is better than pushing 9s here.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

1) Who cares about making the money?? Whoop dee doo - you just made your buyin back and maybe you can play again tomorrow... the point is to make the final table. The bigger point is to make the top three. The biggest point is to win. Your cash influx from playing MTTs does not come from merely making the money, it comes from getting final tables and more importantly top three finishes.

This point can't be stressed more, making the money is absolutely meaningless. Period, end of story, if you are going to be getting timid on money bubbles in MTT's then please, play MTT's which I am in, I absolutely feast on people folding their way to cashes. Chardrian nailed it here, the point of playing MTT's is to win, anything you can do to increase your chances of winning is for the better. If you need to play wildly during the final two tables to increase your chance of winning then so be it. You don't just want to crawl into the money just as you don't want to fold your way to a final table only to bust out 9th. Very simply, if you aren't finishing in the top 3 it doesn't much matter. Play for the win!

[andr3w321]

Okay, I did the math and chardrian is correct with the win%s. Just seemed kind of counterintuitive for some reason. Thx for the replies. This math makes me really confused by cts' 4 betting blog post now.

Yes, I am well aware that you should play for the win in MTTs, but that doesn't mean you should be taking unnecessary risks which are -EV, while I understand this is not one of them I do think that the "play for the win" mentality is sometimes overemphasized. Where do you draw the line? Are you shoving 88-22 here?

[Sprayed]

The money matters if just making the money presents more money that what you are use to and you need it. But, this probably would mean that you are playing over your head. In a $10 rebuy, you are probably just barely making your buy-in + rebuys back. That's why you need to be playing for FT etc.

[chardrian]

Okay, I did the math and chardrian is correct with the win%s. Just seemed kind of counterintuitive for some reason. Thx for the replies. This math makes me really confused by cts' 4 betting blog post now.

Yes, I am well aware that you should play for the win in MTTs, but that doesn't mean you should be taking unnecessary risks which are -EV, while I understand this is not one of them I do think that the "play for the win" mentality is sometimes overemphasized. Where do you draw the line? Are you shoving 88-22 here?

the beauty of poker is that there is no bright line. There are some plays that are dumber than others, but once we figure those out we actually end up focusing more and more on the fuzzy lines. This is one of those fuzzy lines.

99 is (to me) a pretty clear push. 88 gets barfier, 77 barfier still and so on and so on. Hands like AJ, ATs, QK, JKs, etc. also are somewhat vomit inducing in this situation.

So all you can do is look at your situation and play.

Here you have 99:

1) it's a decent hand

2) you have 13x the BB which means you have fold equity (especially against the 4 stacks remaining who are all between 10-20 BBs)

3) and the preflop total is 2x the BB which means just scooping the blinds is big for you.

4) you're in decent position - the highjack so you're rreally only playing 5 handed here

if u run into a better hand here it's just a crappy situation. we run into them a lot as poker players.