2 hands from 5k gtd

[rewfie40]

Just moved to table. After his min raise pre i assumed i was likely dominated but it was a price i could handle. The bet seems like either a big hand or a bluff. Is my call ok or would it be better just to fold?



rewfie40 $7,930.00
Hungary $2,615.00

rewfie40 Card dealt to a spot Kc 10h


TheTodd1 Fold
PPD143 Call
CyrusII Fold
Narvane Fold
Gaydy Fold
rewfie40 Raise $ 90.00
Hungary Raise $ 170.00
JJMANILA Fold
Island Nomad Fold
PPD143 Fold
rewfie40 Call $ 80.00

Betting round completed Last active pot = $415.00
Card dealt to table 3s Jh Ks

rewfie40 Check
Hungary Check

Betting round completed Last active pot = $415.00
Card dealt to table 4d

rewfie40 Check
Hungary Check

Betting round completed Last active pot = $415.00
Card dealt to table 3c

rewfie40 Check
Hungary Bet $ 810.00
rewfie40 Call $ 810.00
Betting round completed Last active pot = $2,035.00




This next hand i have no reads on this guy. I elected to fold the river just because i still have lots of chips to work with and i dont know what he would be betting here that wouldn't have me beat. What do you think of the fold?


rewfie40 $6,890.00
deepsea2102 $3,785.00

rewfie40 Ante/Small blind $ 30.00
checkeater Big blind/Bring in $ 60.00

rewfie40 Card dealt to a spot Js 6 h

tskelt21 Fold
Chishko31 Fold
lowryder35 Fold
aceelite34 Fold
heik7700 Fold
deepsea2102 Call 30
PPD143 Fold
rewfie40 Call 30
checkeater Check

Betting round completed Last active pot = $180.00
Card dealt to table 5s 7s 4s

rewfie40 Check
checkeater Check
deepsea2102 Bet $ 100.00
rewfie40 Raise $ 300.00
checkeater Fold
deepsea2102 Call $ 200.00

Betting round completed Last active pot = $780.00
Card dealt to table 8c

rewfie40 Bet $ 400.00
deepsea2102 Call $ 400.00

Betting round completed Last active pot = $1,580.00 21:57:56
Card dealt to table 5h

rewfie40 Check
deepsea2102 Bet $ 2,560.00
rewfie40 Time out (fold)

[kevster]

Hand 1 - Why aren't you leading the flop?

Hand 2 - If you're trying to get him to go away with that flop raise, 300 ain't going to do it. You could fold here. I also don't know why you lead the turn.

[rewfie40]

Hand 1
I didn't lead the flop because i thought i was likely behind.

Hand 2
flop check raise was more of a feeler bet. I don't mind if i get called here and if i get reraised, i can muck it. I led the turn because i thought i might have the best hand and also thought i would get more information from a lead rather than a check call.

Although i may have not played the early streets of these hands correctly, I am looking more for what you would do on the rivers of these hands.

[SteveO]

Hand 1. Was pretty bad. First, was a questionable steal w/ the K10 in late position but you had the chips to back it up. Min raise should set off some bells and it did but you were getting the right price to take a stab at the flop. I hate the min rasie in this situation and think is should be saved for resteal where blinds are huge. His range can be AA KK QQ which you seem to be well aware of or it could be junk and he was trying a weak resteal. Your job is to find out by leading the flop.

Flop is GIN! you hit your K but there is a flush draw. BET out out with the intention of folding to any resistance and if you are called check it down. Yes this is weak but you have a nice stack and don't need to do anything stoopid.

Finally the call of the river overbet is bad given your "read". You said you didn't bet the flop because you had a feeling that you were behind and then you called an overbet on the river. First, you were not getting the right price to call the river. Only if you were getting 3:1 should you make that crying call since you can afford to be wrong once in a while and still come out ahead.

Bad call IMO.

Hand #2. Never ever ever complete SB w/ J6. With that said you flop an OESD on a 3 flush flop. Any As/Ks is sticking around and can even try to move you off any projected strength. Even worse your perceived outs on the OESD are "dirty" because if another spade hits you have the 4th nuts w/ the Js. FWIW never play J high flushes on a 4 flush board unless you have a deathwish.

On the flop the raise is not bad as a semibluff and will fold a lot of hands but he calls. That says he's probably got the flush probably a big one and does not want to move you out of the pot.

Turn is good news finished your str8 but he won't go away for 1/2 pot. Not good. River you take caution line and check and he pushes. Smells like the overbet for value in a donkament and you make a good fold.

Also important to note is the board paired on river so even the big flush goes down to a boat possibly.

Good fold. Good play. The only thing I don't like is seeing a flop w/ J6o.

[kevster]

Hand 1 - Why aren't you leading the flop?

Hand 2 - If you're trying to get him to go away with that flop raise, 300 ain't going to do it. You could fold here. I also don't know why you lead the turn.

D'oh - Ignore what I said about Hand 2 - I completely misread it.

[rewfie40]

Hand 1

i checked the flop only because i was almost certain the pre reraise was not a steal because i had not open raised for about the last orbit and a half. Regardless, i agree that i probably should have led the flop. When he checked behind on both the flop and turn I started thinking he had a hand like QQ and played it passively. Looking back on it, it probably was an easy fold considering the price and that i didn't have that solid of a hand.

Hand 2

Your analysis of the hand is similar to mine and makes me more confident in my lay down. I guess my next question is, are you calling if he bets, say, 2/3 or 3/4 pot?

[SteveO]

Hard to say if you call 2/3 -3/4 pot. It won't kill you if your wrong given your chip position. Usually I probably take the passive line and fold. The exception is if you have at least a loose read on the guy and if he had been running over the table or bluffing and you can pick him off with the str8. In that case you mark him as a lagg and figure he's bluffing and buying the pot based on the board.

The problem in this particular hand is the board pairing. In that case you str8 is even worse off. Often someone will flop tripps and can't bear to fold on a draw full board in the hopes of filling up.


My approach, especially under these specific conditions where you have a good stack is to avoid these situations at all costs. Don't play J6 even if you are completing the SB.

I would add that even if he bets 1/2 pot on the end I strongly consider folding. That is a typical "post-oak bluff" See Harrington vol. II. Even though the math makes it a correct call.