Look Good? $16 turbo

[MissKitty]

Comments on all streets please. Should I have raised the turn? No reads only 8 hands into the sng

PokerStars Game #10752567248: Tournament #54494637, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/07/03 - 18:32:02 (ET)
Table '54494637 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: xo*Kisses*xo (1455 in chips)
Seat 2: Chrisse2000 (2165 in chips)
Seat 3: spiess27 (1220 in chips)
Seat 4: Smooth Otto (2360 in chips)
Seat 5: swana2k (1250 in chips)
Seat 7: Vank21 (2115 in chips)
Seat 8: flugel bert (1390 in chips)
Seat 9: tdbest1 (1545 in chips)
spiess27: posts small blind 15
Smooth Otto: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xo*Kisses*xo [7s 6s]
swana2k: folds
Vank21: folds
flugel bert: folds
tdbest1: calls 30
xo*Kisses*xo: calls 30
Chrisse2000: calls 30
spiess27: calls 15
Smooth Otto: checks
*** FLOP *** [8d 3s 9s]
spiess27: checks
Smooth Otto: checks
tdbest1: checks
xo*Kisses*xo: bets 120
Chrisse2000: calls 120
spiess27: calls 120
Smooth Otto: calls 120
tdbest1: folds
*** TURN *** [8d 3s 9s] [Jc]
spiess27: checks
Smooth Otto: checks
xo*Kisses*xo: checks
Chrisse2000: bets 180
spiess27: calls 180
Smooth Otto: folds
xo*Kisses*xo: calls 180
*** RIVER *** [8d 3s 9s Jc] [5c]
spiess27: checks
xo*Kisses*xo: bets 1125 and is all-in
Chrisse2000: raises 710 to 1835 and is all-in
spiess27: folds

[|~|ypermegachi]

i typically put in a value bet/call push on the river rather than pushing.

[bjsaust]

Push is only a PSB, so its not too bad, but a value bet of 400-500 is more likely to be called by a weaker hand, and someone who'll call your push may well push over it letting you get it AI anyway.

[taipan168]

I lean towards fold this preflop with only one limper in front, but I don't hate limping in this spot.

On the flop, I would actually overbet it, make it 200 to go. You've probably got the best chance of winning this hand unless somebody flopped a set or has JsTs but you wouldn't mind taking this down on the flop.

On the turn, I like just flat calling. You close the action, you're getting 6.5 to 1 on the call and you still likely have 15 outs so are a bit worse than 2 to 1 against to hit your straight or flush.

On the river, either shoving or betting 500 is fine, but I probably lean towards shoving. As bjsaust said, a shove is a PSB and perversely might have less FE than a 500 bet because it looks like a desperate bluff with a missed FD or something.

[bjsaust]

On the river, either shoving or betting 500 is fine, but I probably lean towards shoving. As bjsaust said, a shove is a PSB and perversely might have less FE than a 500 bet because it looks like a desperate bluff with a missed FD or something.

Thats an interesting point Harrington makes a number of times in HoH2. To a good player, a 500 bet here looks like what it is, an attempt to extract value with a very strong hand. To a novice it looks like a small bet that leaves him with enough stack if he loses that it looks like an attractive option. Conversely a push looks more desperate to a strong player, however looks like a stronger play to a novice. So you could base your river bet size off your interpretation of your opps strength.

[MissKitty]

Thats an interesting point Harrington makes a number of times in HoH2. To a good player, a 500 bet here looks like what it is, an attempt to extract value with a very strong hand. To a novice it looks like a small bet that leaves him with enough stack if he loses that it looks like an attractive option. Conversely a push looks more desperate to a strong player, however looks like a stronger play to a novice. So you could base your river bet size off your interpretation of your opps strength.

You make a good point there (or Harrington does). At this level not all of my opponents are donkeys and making this move when up against a moderate/above average player may be the smarter move. Though against someone who I don't know I'm not sure which would be the correct way to go. Though mixing it up from time to time against an unknown would probably have a lot of value to it. Because as Tai said earlier both ways aren't bad so why not use them both