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  1. #1

    Default This is driving me nuts

    I feel that I am being abused by blind check raisers. In the past I have seen these to be alot of bluffs, but I feel that folding is +EV.

    Hand1: Villain here is a loose fishy.
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    SB ($238)
    BB ($249.75)
    UTG ($63.10)
    Hero ($199)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with J, A.
    1 fold, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

    Flop: ($18) 9, 9, K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB raises to $28, Hero ??

    Hand 2:Villain here is a non 3betting type Tag 24/18
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    SB ($108.80)
    BB ($305.20)
    UTG ($325)
    MP ($114)
    CO ($364.35)
    Hero ($192.45)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with J, 4.
    3 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

    Flop: ($17) 5, Q, 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB raises to $30, Hero ??

    Hand 3:Villain here is a nit 12/10
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    Hero ($388)
    Button ($473.70)
    SB ($236)
    BB ($200)
    UTG ($237.60)
    MP ($207)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, 5.
    2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, SB calls $7, 1 fold.

    Flop: ($18) 5, 4, T (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $32, Hero ??

    Hand 4:Villain is again Fishy
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    SB ($101.25)
    BB ($108.40)
    UTG ($203)
    Hero ($626.80)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with T, T.
    1 fold, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $7, 1 fold.

    Flop: ($18) 8, 6, Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $12, SB raises to $26, Hero ??
  2. #2
    Power 2 them,
    I usually let them take a walk 1st time in all those examples and make a note that they may have bluffed.
    Only last hand 1010 might be worth getting involved vs shortie?

    (You also need to take notes on if they play their strong hands fast in general which will help your decisions.)
    (Hand 1 is often a bluff if there are 2 99's on flop and any card other than A or K but in this example I fold.)
  3. #3
    This has been happening to me a lot lately as well. I think your play here really depends on your reads on villain. I think their check raises are like their way of fighting our cbets.

    Often i encounter villains who are sick of me cbeting or as they describe it "bluffing" and will check raise me on the flop pretending to have hit. Often when i feel they are bluffing i simply reraise them for a little more than a min raise and they often fold. I would probably just pick your spot, and if someone does this to you more than once i would consider reraising.
  4. #4
    If villains are smart and thinking, they know that hand 1 and 2 is perfect for c/r. So just shove sometimes if they're good regs.

    Otherwise it's hard to continue without reads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    If villains are smart and thinking, they know that hand 1 and 2 is perfect for c/r. So just shove sometimes if they're good regs.

    Otherwise it's hard to continue without reads.
    Pushing is way overbetting the pot, are you pushing when you hit a disguised trips? What about Yeti?
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  6. #6
    Given that you're raising stuff like J4s from the BTN, any villain paying attention is (rightly) not giving your LP c-bets respect and exploiting your chronic raise ATC/c-bet tendencies. Raise junk less, check behind more.
  7. #7
    Hand 2 I call and push a turn bet if you really think he's c/r a lot.

    Best fix: put the stat "Raises cbet" on your HUD and then you'll really know. Anything around 15 or over is a lot of playing back.
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  8. #8
    cbet less often? plus check some hands on the flop?
  9. #9
    c-bet bigger. Fold most of these without reads that they've done it before. Don't c-bet flops like hand 4. Occasionally 3-bet bluff if you think they're c/r'ing you light.
  10. #10
    I feel ya. I've been getting killed this week and the flop check/mini-raise is getting very annoying.

    Table Barkly East (No DP)
    Seat 1: gaffman ($37.00 in chips)
    Seat 3: Alexeikaz ($98.50 in chips)
    Seat 5: Hero ($95.50 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 6: xxAdizzlexx ($114.10 in chips)
    Seat 8: lyras ($94.33 in chips)
    Seat 10: iseedeadpeople ($287.07 in chips)
    xxAdizzlexx: Post SB $0.50
    lyras: Post BB $1.00
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [AhQd]
    iseedeadpeople: Fold
    gaffman: Fold
    Alexeikaz: Fold
    Hero: Raise $4.00
    xxAdizzlexx: Fold
    lyras: Call $3.00
    *** FLOP *** [4c 6c Td]
    lyras: Check
    Hero: Bet $7.50
    lyras: Raise $15.00
    Hero: Fold
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $29.85 Rake $1.15
    lyras: wins $29.85


    Seat 3: bigmac9inch ($163.08 in chips) DEALER
    Seat 5: GambleToWin ($145.10 in chips)
    Seat 6: kelkemesh ($139.80 in chips)
    Seat 8: Hero ($104.05 in chips)
    Seat 10: GRANITEKID ($102.15 in chips)
    GambleToWin: Post SB $0.50
    kelkemesh: Post BB $1.00
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [2h2s]
    Hero: Raise $4.05
    GRANITEKID: Fold
    bigmac9inch: Call $4.05
    GambleToWin: Fold
    kelkemesh: Fold
    *** FLOP *** [6s Ah 5c]
    Hero: Bet $7.50
    bigmac9inch: Raise $15.00
    Hero: Fold
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $30.90 Rake $1.20
    bigmac9inch: wins $30.90


    And when try to fight back...

    Seat 1: Thomas1001 ($51.30 in chips)
    Seat 3: MeDopp ($78.90 in chips)
    Seat 5: mikein ($47.35 in chips)
    Seat 6: cozanostra ($140.55 in chips)
    Seat 8: bpc009 ($318.65 in chips)
    Seat 10: Hero ($99.50 in chips) DEALER
    Thomas1001: Post SB $0.50
    MeDopp: Post BB $1.00
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Hero [9c 7c]
    mikein: Fold
    cozanostra: Call $1.00
    bpc009: Fold
    Hero: Raise $4.00
    Thomas1001: Fold
    MeDopp: Fold
    cozanostra: Call $3.00
    *** FLOP *** [Qh 2h Tc]
    cozanostra: Check
    Hero: Bet $5.50
    cozanostra: Raise $11.00
    Hero: Raise $30.00
    cozanostra: Allin $125.55
    Hero: Fold
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $178.55 Rake $3.00
    cozanostra: wins $178.55

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