88 in 3-bet pot against semi-LAGG

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Villain is a 24/20, 5 AF in about a 300 hand sample. I haven't seen him pull anything out of the ordinary.

My image is loose and aggro. He probably sees me as a pretty light three bettor.

I think his range here is skewed to TT-66, small percentage bluffs, small percentage 44-22, and small percentage QQ-AA or better.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($193.80)
SB ($396)
Hero ($400)
UTG ($434)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8.
UTG raises to $16, 2 folds, Hero raises to $56, UTG calls $40.

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $58, UTG raises to $378, Hero calls $286 (All-In).

Turn: ($836) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($836) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $836

[IowaSkinsFan]

obv this is really close given your correct in what your opponent thinks of you. Idk I probably fold but I'm a nit, I feel weird about threebetting though if I do.

[euphoricism]

Christ, I'd really rather be the one shoving here than the one calling. He's UTG too ;/

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Christ, I'd really rather be the one shoving here than the one calling. He's UTG too ;/

yeah but it's 4-handed so it's essentially the CO.

[euphoricism]

ah true..

still fold ;/

[gabe]

you dont think he ever has 5x ?

[Fnord]

Standard.

[snowbird4life]

seems ok to me, just have to have a strong read.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

you dont think he ever has 5x ?

yeah i didn't really think of A5, 56, 45, and 57 much. That makes it a way easier call.

[sauce123]

i dont get y he would be shoving marginal made hands...

it seems more likely he shoves JJ+ AK AQ or somethin

[Ash256]

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $58

Why?

Why not

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $88

?

[IowaSkinsFan]

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $58

Why?

Why not

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $88

?

There are no draws and barely any implied.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Gabe i'd be really happy if you let me know what you think of this hand.

[sauce123]

max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt

[gabe]

i call preflop 80% of the time, maybe more

i bet more on flop, at least 75 probably, then u gotta call if your image is "loose and aggro"

[IowaSkinsFan]

max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt

seconded. If i pulled this move with 22 i'd consider it that i was tilting.

This game is just not aggressive enough to merit many 99-66 shoves.

[Numbr2intheWorld]

max- if someone was to shove 22-99 strength hands against me here i would consider them on tilt

seconded. If i pulled this move with 22 i'd consider it that i was tilting.

This game is just not aggressive enough to merit many 99-66 shoves.

i don't think it was to do with the aggressiveness of the games. When two loose and aggressive players are against eachother things get a lot more aggressive.

And Sauce is arguing that players just don't usually shove made marginal hands in position, regardless of aggression.

[gabe]

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $58

Why?

Why not

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $88

?

There are no draws and barely any implied.

missed this post earlier

bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe

[Numbr2intheWorld]

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $58

Why?

Why not

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $88

?

There are no draws and barely any implied.

missed this post earlier

bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe

hmmm i always wondered about that. I was watching this aba vid and i found it hard to guess what his bet size would be, and i didn't understand why he'd make it that certain size. I just don't seem to have a good feel for it.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $58

Why?

Why not

Flop: ($114) J, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $88

?

There are no draws and barely any implied.

missed this post earlier

bet sizing is not all about draws..... lots of other stuff that books dont really write about, probably because its hard to describe

Yeah, ignorant post on my part, however i do like the bet size here a lot.
kind of looks like a "I have a decent hand but i really want to lay it down".