Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Very good posgt Vi-Zeroskill, except i have one argument.

Very loose players are bad to threebet argument is interesting. In general, I feel the problem may be moreso people just tend to cbet way too much into them. If they're going to call reraises with JT, we are ahead preflop with almost any hand we reraise. Although, the problem is we've just made the pot must bigger and by loosenning up are range we've done two things.
1. We inflate the pot, which actually allows our opponent to play better since decisions are easier in bigger pots, while in smaller pots were allowing him to make more mistakes since the pot will be played on three streets.
2. We make how he will play hands naturally a better move. Loose players will likely call a flop bet with any pair. Normally, the way they play it the rest of the way will become a gigantic mistake, but in threebet pots if we dont hit their pairs are often good, while if our threebet range is tight, calling with any pair is horrid.

But then again, if opponents are calling with such bad hands and is willing to put more money in with them that definetely would warrant reraising.

Initially, i was definitely c-betting into very loose players. Once my c-bets got floated 4-5 times i started to catch on...

Point 1 is very good. At the time i wrote my reply i was only thinking of how i had ran into some extreme LAGG players and found 3betting lightly to be ineffective.

Point 2 is essentially what i was thinking; you did word it a bit more like i would expect to find it in a theory book.

I don't really understand the last thing you wrote, but i think you are implying we still should be 3betting these players frequently. I think an optimal 3bet range against a very loose LAGG would be A-Q/K-Q/9-9+. This way we do end up holding a pair more often than SC's/missed overs, and villain still wants to call lightly on flops since we are 3betting somewhat frequently (if he is a weak 65/40 - as he probably is - he probably won't even notice we are 3betting tighter). I hope we get more discussion on an optimal 3bet range against someone who does not fold weak/medium strength hands postflop.