Quote Originally Posted by Pelion
Quote Originally Posted by Bode-ist
Quote Originally Posted by HalvSame
If the opponent is sane he'll get away from QQ on A/K high flop 2/3 of the time in a 4bet pot. He only beats a bluff at that point, and he's probably not going to face one 1/3 of the time.
this pretty much sums it up. Even villains at micro stakes can get away from QQ w/ an A or K high flop.
They can in raised pots, but with only a pot sized bet to go alot of players will feel committed enough to make retard calls when the board has shat on their hand as my AA bluff hand proved. Whether or not this is 1/3 of the time im sure is very opponent dependent. I actually asked trainer_jyms about this when I first thought of it and apparently he makes that call "all the time".
i just run into too many villains that dont get the concept of pot comittment. I *rarely* would make the call w/ QQ in a 4-bet w/ an A on the flop if villain is showing alot of strength, even w/ only a pot sized bet behind. Of course this is playing 50nl mostly, and i dont feel that players are tricky enough for this to be -EV. In 200nl+ games, I expect making calls like this to be more standard.