3rd hand 10+1 PS AhKh

[Crazy Scot]

With the limpers in front (while playing I thought there was more of them, guess I need to pay more attention) I decided to just limp and hope to flop a monster. The BB raise smacked of a steal, what would you do this early, call and see the flop, reraise or fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t1500)
CO (t2280)
Button (t1560)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1480)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1400)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t800)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, 1 fold, MP2 calls t20, Hero calls t20, 1 fold, Button raises to t300, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero ???


Edited to correct title

[Jack Sawyer]

That's a 15x BB raise, what is considered a "hand defining raise".
I'd call with AA or KK only here. IOW, a made hand PF only.

[KillThatInfidel]

First of all, that limp was terrible. I would push here though at 10$ SNG and 20$ sng. I am not sure about higher stakes.

[TLR]

I would not limp preflop.
As played I call

[taipan168]

I agree with the others, don't limp preflop. I make it 100-120 to go.

What you do after the big raise depends on reads on Button. This is not always AA/KK however it is -EV to flip against 22-QQ here. I wouldn't fold this, I think I agree with TLR's line of flat calling (since you will close the action) and seeing what comes on the flop.

[KillThatInfidel]

I think a flat call is really weak here. He has position, and unless we hit the flop he will take the pot. Your right its -EV to toss here, but hes folding 22-1010 here maybe even JJ n QQ. I think AKhh is way ahead of his range here, which i would say would be about 99-AA, AQ-AK.

[badgers]

I think a flat call is really weak here. He has position, and unless we hit the flop he will take the pot. Your right its -EV to toss here, but hes folding 22-1010 here maybe even JJ n QQ. I think AKhh is way ahead of his range here, which i would say would be about 99-AA, AQ-AK.

Agreed, I really think this is push/fold, and honestly it would take some sort of read for me to want to push here. You got yourself into a tricky situation by limping though.

[taipan168]

I think a flat call is really weak here. He has position, and unless we hit the flop he will take the pot. Your right its -EV to toss here, but hes folding 22-1010 here maybe even JJ n QQ.

The reason I said it would be -EV to flip against 22-QQ is that when low buyin players raise 15x BB they won't fold to a shove, and to me Hero's decision after limping is to either call or shove.

I think AKhh is way ahead of his range here, which i would say would be about 99-AA, AQ-AK.

	equity 	win 	tie 	      
Hand 0: 	48.848%  	40.32% 	08.53%   { 99+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 	51.152%  	42.62% 	08.53%   { AKs }

[TLR]

KillThatInfidel wrote:
I think a flat call is really weak here. He has position, and unless we hit the flop he will take the pot. Your right its -EV to toss here, but hes folding 22-1010 here maybe even JJ n QQ.

In low level Sngs they rarely fold those

I dont think calling is bad here, I am pushing any flop with A K, or 2 hearts after the flop

[badgers]

I dont think calling is bad here, I am C/R AI on any flop with A K, or 2 hearts after the flop

FYP

[KillThatInfidel]

I didnt mean way ahead, but he folds a lot of those PPs i mentioned(i think he can only call with QQ KK AA), so i think a lot of the time here you pick up this pot with a push. Maybe im not being clear, i dno.

[ChrisBCritter]

I didnt mean way ahead, but he folds a lot of those PPs i mentioned(i think he can only call with QQ KK AA), so i think a lot of the time here you pick up this pot with a push. Maybe im not being clear, i dno.

After raising 15XBB, I would find it VERY unlikely that villian would fold to a push, even if he's raising with ducks... a flat call is NOT weak here, but then again, limping in in the first place was the initial weak mistake anyways...See a flop. Make another decision there...

[Geanosssss]

I dont think you can just flat-call here. Your OOP and its a lot off our stack. And your going to have to hit the flop to want to continue in the hand, and your likely going to be facing a big cbet.

Whats the buy-in for this tourney? If its low then pushing is propably +ev as donks will call here with a lot of weaker aces, or your flipping against a lower pair. You also have quite a bit of fold equity if he is on a steal as you suspected.

You got yourself into this tricky spot by limping.

[marmot]

Without reads i'd push here and seeing as its level 1 (?) i'm presuming you don't have reads

[mcatdog]

I'd just fold. 90% of the time this is a medium pocket pair that's thinking "Mmmm I have a pair, pairs are good, but I'd better bet really really big, otherwise people might call, and there might be overcards on the flop and I wouldn't know what to do then because I suck at poker." Which means you should go all-in with JJ+ for sure. Folding QQ here would be really stupid.

You also have quite a bit of fold equity if he is on a steal as you suspected.

LOL. He's gonna fold about 1% of the time if that.

[Crazy Scot]

Sorry, Been away from the computer foa few days. I agree that the limp was bad, I really thought that there were more limpers for some reason

I really felt it was a steal so here is how the rest of it played out. My feeling was right I just got unlucky. Don't limp with AK (smacks head against wall repeatedly). Maybe I am getting tired of everyone folding to my preflop raises.

My mantra must be winning small pot > losing big pot

BlkViper19: raises 1200 to 1500 and is all-in
Diver 1974: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [5c 9h Jh]
*** TURN *** [5c 9h Jh] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [5c 9h Jh 7c] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BlkViper19: shows [Kh Ah] (high card Ace)
Diver 1974: shows [7h 8h] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
Diver 1974 collected 3070 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3070 | Rake 0
Board [5c 9h Jh 7c 8d]
Seat 1: BlkViper19 showed [Kh Ah] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: cadilacSTS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Diver 1974 (button) showed [7h 8h] and won (3070) with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 4: CWPCAPSMP (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: HATERSSUCK (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MorongoPro folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: CWellman folded before Flop
Seat 8: Etaipo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dogpower folded before Flop

[Deanglow]

allin you want to see all 5 cards