Whats your move? $6.50 first hand of tourney.

[Random_Hero]

Easy call pre flop. hit a flop I wanted. do we put villain on trips on the flop or can we put him on a draw? would he re-raise a FD? He was a profitable player according to scope.

PokerStars Game #11807057865: Tournament #59921408, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/09/01 - 06:19:02 (ET)
Table '59921408 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Roy-sChOuA (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: RandomHero83 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: SunnyviewFM (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: CaptainSlog (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: raeb1945 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: Elu$ive (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Juanstar72 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Sapro (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: kiersje (1500 in chips)
RandomHero83: posts small blind 10
SunnyviewFM: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RandomHero83 [Ad Js]
CaptainSlog: folds
raeb1945: folds
Elu$ive: folds
Juanstar72: calls 20
Sapro: calls 20
kiersje: raises 20 to 40
Roy-sChOuA has timed out
Roy-sChOuA: folds
Roy-sChOuA is sitting out
Roy-sChOuA has returned
RandomHero83: calls 30
SunnyviewFM: folds
Juanstar72: calls 20
Sapro: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [Jd 2d 4h]
RandomHero83: bets 160
Juanstar72: calls 160
Sapro: raises 440 to 600
kiersje: folds
RandomHero83: ? ? ?

[Geanosssss]

I dont think hes raising a flush draw in that position, especially when he raises that big and he has to take in mind the guy who called your bet and the other guy still left to act behind him.
It looks like a set of 2's or 4's to me...

[taipan168]

GTFO. If you're calling a preflop raise from the SB and three opps end up seeing the flop with you, I'm not going broke on an A or J high flop. Your flop lead was good, once you get a cold caller (who could be slowplaying a set or two pair) and a big re-raiser (particularly from a solid player), your AJ TPTK is no good.

[mcatdog]

He has a set.

[fdnypoker]

Never want to go broke with TPTK in first level.

Could have a set, slow played over pair, even a draw. With the blinds so low this is a quick fast muck.

[taipan168]

Never want to go broke with TPTK in first level.

Could have a set, slow played over pair, even a draw. With the blinds so low this is a quick fast muck.

At a $6.50 I'd go broke with AK TPTK all day long without reads that opps were not solid players, but AJ TPTK is a different story.

[Deanglow]

Have any of you saying "OMG SET EXACTLY" ever played the $6.50 SNGs on stars? This could be the NFD or any jack. Don't fold this quickly and I lean towards pushing.

[fdnypoker]

Opp showed a profit in scope. Taipan....AK is a different story here I think. AJ with this action is a fold to me.

I disagree that the play at the $6's is as bad as it once was. Yes it's true the table will have some bad players mixed in. However...in this case all we know about opp is he/she is showing a profit and isn't scared of action behind him/her. At the 10/20 level this is a fold all day for me.

[taipan168]

Opp showed a profit in scope. Taipan....AK is a different story here I think. AJ with this action is a fold to me.

I disagree that the play at the $6's is as bad as it once was. Yes it's true the table will have some bad players mixed in. However...in this case all we know about opp is he/she is showing a profit and isn't scared of action behind him/her. At the 10/20 level this is a fold all day for me.

Oh yeah, you'll get no disagreement from me here, it's a fold all day long. AK would have played completely differently in this spot because I would have re-raised preflop.

[Random_Hero]

Ok, I played this like a proper donk and shoved. he called with 6-4 of diamonds!! I knew I shouldn't have but did anyway. I was expecting him to have a set. I never in a million years expected 6-4 of diamonds!!

[Deanglow]

You got it in with the best of it so I don't understand what you are angry about. NH

[bjsaust]

No, it wasnt a NH, it was a lucky hand. TPTK in a 4-way flop is not a hand to go AI on the flop with.

Good hand to post, next time you'll know better .

[Random_Hero]

You got it in with the best of it so I don't understand what you are angry about. NH

At what point did I say I was angry?

Bjsaust - Yeah I knew it was a silly shove when I done it. was just "one of those hands" lol

I was just surprised the profitable player (up about $2k over 1k games!) would reraise a shitty FD on the flop then call a shove with it. Even his limp PF was a bit loose. Goes to show we don't all start off tight lol

[drmcboy]

If you realy think he should fold 6d4d when you shove you need to spend a lot more time with poker stove. His draw is in no way 'shitty'.

You play bad, he plays good.

[Random_Hero]

Fair do's.

wouldn't you recommend just folding PF though? I understand once he's limped he has an easy call once its min raised. I maybe too nitty but I wouldn't reraise on the flop.

[drmcboy]

If people will put there whole stack in with TPTK in a limped/min raised pot, no I don't think he should fold pre flop.

You agree you should have folded the flop, is why him raising the flop is a good play. Even if you don't fold AJ you''ll fold lots of other hands he's 40/60 with and worst case you have a set/2 pair and he still has a bunch of outs.

[Geanosssss]

opp's a donk

[badgers]

opp's a donk

No. It's a preflop fold imo, after that opp played perfectly.

[Geanosssss]

opp's a donk

No. It's a preflop fold imo, after that opp played perfectly.

So you would raise there???

[badgers]

God yes, opp had a monster draw and FE, I raise all day long there.

[GatorJH]

I made a comment in an earlier post about recommending "vanilla" poker too much. This is a great example of what I meant by that.

Outside of the pre-flop call I love how villian played this hand. Think of all the hands that people would fold here to his bet. Hands like TT-66, JQ and maybe JK or even AJ (you almost folded here). And as noted, even if you get called you have MAJOR suckout potential.

His raise on the flop SCREAMS big hand, which is exactly what he wants it to do. In fact, the bet is not too different than a pre-flop squeeze play.

[Random_Hero]

I guess you guys are right. His bet did scream "trips" and I should have folded and usually9 times outta 10 I do fold these.

His play is very aggressive on the flop. I wouldnt be in the hand though in the first place to make this kinda play lol.

thanks for the replies