Wrong move?

[mukaka]

In one of the topics, I read about a move smth like this..

When you have a good but not an unbeatable hand like AK-AQ-JJ-TT etc , If no one has shown strength and the chips in the pot are more than 15% of your stack pre-flop, you shove it pre-flop.

I used it a lot till today without any problems but today I encountered a QQ in the BB with pocket Tens... So I thought I understood the move wrong. Should I do it only when I'm in the BB?

[Deanglow]

If you have around 10xBB then there is absolutely no problem with getting it in pre-flop with 1010. Don't be results oriented! You say this worked "till today" which I suppose means you haven't been playing very much. In the thousands of SNG's and MTT's I've played, there have probably been 100 or more instances of me getting it in with KK in your spot and losing to AA.

You made the correct play, and even when someone has shown strength, you should be going all-in here. Tens is a premium hand, and again, don't care so much about results, this bad situation you were in doesn't happen often. Most of the time you will get all folds, and the few instances you get called , you are ahead or flipping a massive amount.

[Zee Devee]

Being results oreiented is one of the pitfalls to potentially good players.

[mukaka]

I'm not a results oriented person actually, I forgot to tell you that I had 15xbb so you understood me wrong. my bad. so this is a totally different move, not the regular push-fold mode..If I was 10xbb or less, surely I wouldn't give a damn about running into queens since I've been playing for a long time now..

The question is about that specific move I learned from Taipan.. I can even remember the question of that topic.. The guy who asked the question had more than 10xbb and he was in the BB with AQs.. There were couple of limpers before him and he asked what to do.. taipan told the move that I mentioned above.. Shove pre-flop if nobody showed strength and the pot has more than 15% of your stack..

So my question is, can this move only be done when you are the BB assuming you have 15xbb?

[badgers]

The reason you mostly do this from the BB is so that you don't run into big hands from players yet to act. That said, without seeing the HH, it sounds like you played it fine, you can still pull shoves like this from other positions, you just need better hands because of the chance that you run into something from a playre yet to act.

[mukaka]

The reason you mostly do this from the BB is so that you don't run into big hands from players yet to act.

this is the answer I was expecting.. can't post the HH because I play in Paradise Poker but we were 6 people blinds were 50-100 I had around 1500 there were two players who acted before me and they both limped, there was only one huge stack in the BB(Queens went to the huge stack ) and the others were like me..

hope this helps, thanks for the answers so far

[taipan168]

The question is about that specific move I learned from Taipan.. I can even remember the question of that topic.. The guy who asked the question had more than 10xbb and he was in the BB with AQs.. There were couple of limpers before him and he asked what to do.. taipan told the move that I mentioned above.. Shove pre-flop if nobody showed strength and the pot has more than 15% of your stack..

A semi-professional poker playing friend of mine told me about this "rule". Basically, the reasons you just shove it are:
- Once the chips in the pot preflop reach 15% of your stack, they are significant enough to want to try to pick up without a fight with a strong but unmade hand (eg. AK, AQ, TT)
- If you put in a big enough standard raise preflop (3x BB plus 1x BB for each limper) and get called you will be building a big pot OOP when you won't like the majority of flops and a c-bet will commit a very significant proportion of your stack to the hand.

Here's an example hand:

8-handed table, blinds 25/50, you're in the BB with AQo with a 1200 stack. 3 limpers in front of you including the SB, all of whom have you covered. There are 200 chips in the pot preflop. IMO the correct move is to just shove it. (200/1200 = 16.7%)

If you put in a standard raise, this would have to be to 300 chips (since there are 3 limpers) and if you get called, your c-bet will have to be at least 400 chips which would commit more than 700 chips (more than half your stack) to the pot. Checking is far too weak with a strong hand like AQo when nobody has shown any strength preflop. Therefore, the best option is to just shove it preflop.

[mukaka]

thanks for the great post mate I think this is a really good move by the way.. what are your opinions about doing this move outside the BB?