Discussion - 1R/A tournies

[Reidak]

I want to discuss the benefits of rebuying immediatley in these tourneys. In unlimited rebuys, we know the benefit of doing this. But with only 1 rebuy and 1 add on, I believe it is incorrect to do

Reason one: usually 2 or 3 people in a 9 handed table will do this. Most situations you will find yourself in big pots againts opponents with their original stacks.

Reason two: harder to get it all in. Because after that rebuy, there are no more. It essentially makes it a freezeout for you and your double stacked opponent. You will see looser calls and bets between two opponents with original stacks due to the fact they can rebuy after. also, when you get KO'ed, you lose the value of the add on you can no longer purchase. The rebuy bought you 1500, the add on would have given 2000.

Any thoughts?

[mcatdog]

Reason one: usually 2 or 3 people in a 9 handed table will do this. Most situations you will find yourself in big pots againts opponents with their original stacks.

This doesn't make sense. Why would out-chipping your opponents and having them make loose, bad calls against you be a bad thing in any way?

Oh and you should definitely rebuy immediately or else you won't get the chance after you win a couple of pots.

[Reidak]

I stated that it was harder to get into big pots with opponents with 3000 chips, if you have 3000 chips. This is due to the fear of future bigger bets. Say the pot is 600 and you fire out 600 with 2100 behind (you rebought right off the bat). Your opponent flopped a fairly decent hand.

Now with 2100 behind in both your stacks, you are less likely to get called by his worse (we will assume you are ahead) hand.

With 600 behind, he is more apt to calling with this hand.

You could argue with me on this one. But say the pot is heads up on the flop with 600 in it again.

You bet 350. You now have 2250 behind.
OR
You bet 350. You have 850 behind.

We again assume we have the best of it right now. We want our opponent to raise with a less superior hand.

Opponent could feel that our 350 bet is just a cbet, a reraise effectivley commits him. With deep stacks, he needs a better hand. When we have the 1500 stack, we get called by a winder range, due to the fact it isnt for the tourney.

Not to mention, say we get called and lose by a suckout.
assume we know that we always need to add on.

With 3000 stacks, in this tourney we lose the EV of the 500 bonus chips. With a 1500 stack, we rebuy, and gain the chance to make it to the break

[drmcboy]

literally lol

[givememyleg]

no, you want to be deep with other fish. what about all the value you miss out on when you only double up with a 1500 stack vs a 3000 stack?

[mcatdog]

I watched Miller's Crossing last night and this thread reminds me of when Eddie the Dane says "up is down, black is white." You just argued that it's better to have a small stack than a big stack. "Less is more."

I've complained in the past about how bad threads get lots of responses and good threads don't get enough because people are afraid to give the wrong answer to a complicated question. I don't mean to be a dick but this is pretty basic and you should try to figure out for yourself what's wrong with your logic.

[chardrian]

You can't win if you're afraid of losing.