Facing a Pot bet with second pair+SD

[Im_new]

I run into players that like to bet "pot" quite often. I never know how to treat the bet. Are they strong and don't know how to get value? Are they defending two pair or over pairs? Did his AJ+ miss? I know the majority of my answers should come from PF analysis. This time I folded second pair + SD... I know, I know I shouldn't have, but I did. (UTG was very tight and aggressive + I was chip leader).

How do you guys generally treat "pot" bets with a pair? two pair+? FD and SD?

$5 STT
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t30/t60
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1490
UTG+1: t1070
MP1: t1040
MP2: t2385
CO: t975
Im_new: t3625
SB: t1005
BB: t1910

Pre-flop: (8 players) Im_new is Button with 8 9
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t60 (pot was t90), 2 folds, CO calls t60 (pot was t150), Im_new calls t60 (pot was t210), SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: 9 7 T (t270, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t270, CO calls t270 (pot was t540), Im_new folds, BB folds.

Turn: 2 (t810, 2 players)
UTG+1 is all-in t740, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: t740 returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: t810

[Geanosssss]

yo this is an easy fold

[Im_new]

cool, but why?

[daven]

good fold, i wouldn't even be thinking about calling here. The caller could easily have a flush draw (there go two of your outs), UTG+1 smells like a set or 68s (there go the 9s as outs), you are not drawing to the nut straight, you only have middle pair and no kicker, save your chips here to use them to win the tournament later... umm. other reasons abound.

Insta-fold. in fact, why you even playing this hand? fold pre-flop

[Geanosssss]

cool, but why?

The caller could easily have a flush draw (there go two of your outs), UTG+1 smells like a set or 68s (there go the 9s as outs), you are not drawing to the nut straight, you only have middle pair and no kicker, save your chips here to use them to win the tournament later... umm. other reasons abound.

Yeah basically lol

Im tired and going to bed so cant be bothered to add any of my own lol

[Im_new]

same thing that I asked myself when I went to review my game... answer: undisciplined. I like trying new hands on the button when I know I shouldn't. I convinced myself that the pot odds were good, knowing good and well that I need to instafold lol.

(i did use those chips to win later yay lol)

[DetroitHusling101]

Yeah i fold this preflop....

[DetroitHusling101]

Just thinking about 8 9 offsuit makes me cringe. I ran into this beat earlier. I should have just shoved PF.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t1690)
UTG (t3430)
MP (t2475)
CO (t1670)
Button (t2420)
SB (t3315)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J.
3 folds, Button calls t100, SB completes, Hero raises to t500, Button folds, SB calls t400.

Flop: (t1100) 7, T, J (2 players)
SB bets t400, Hero raises to t1190, SB calls t790.

Turn: (t3480) K (2 players)

River: (t3480) A (2 players)

Final Pot: t3480

Results in white below:
Hero has Jh Js (three of a kind, jacks).
SB has 9c 8s (straight, jack high).
Outcome: SB wins t3480.

[daven]

i need to play some sngs again.... it seems i haven't done so for ages - I've monied 5/6 my last mtt's (micro pays though) so maybe it's the new way forward. Seems harder to clear bonuses that way though.

[TwoKicker]

Just thinking about 8 9 offsuit makes me cringe. I ran into this beat earlier. I should have just shoved PF.
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Even though you opp. played incorrectly this is not a bad beat, you put in most of your money in when you were behind and he out flopped you.
More of a cooler.
There is also a forum on here for posting bad beats if you want some better discussion on hands like this, it's in the block just below the one with this forum in under the heading "Poker Etcetera"
It's my 2nd fav. forum.

[DetroitHusling101]

I know it wasnt a bad beat. I just said i ran into this beat. My money was going in regardless. I still had 7 outs. lol.

[Im_new]

I'm not ashamed in an "I'm embarrassed" kind of way. More in an "oopsies, I made a boo boo" kind of way lol. I'm learning...slowly but surely.