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  1. #1

    Default Gamble with AQ? $20+2

    Early in an SNG, I played two consecutive hands against one villain. What do you do in hand #2? I'm showing the first hand to establish his style of play, and I have no read on him outside of this hand.

    Hand #1

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    BB (t1530)
    UTG (t1300)
    UTG+1 (t1350)
    MP1 (t3030)
    MP2 (t1440)
    CO (t2345)
    Hero (t1555)
    SB (t950)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    5 folds, Hero raises to t90, 1 fold, BB calls t60.

    Flop: (t195) , , (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t120, BB calls t120.

    Turn: (t435) (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t180, BB calls t180.

    River: (t795) (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks.

    Final Pot: t795

    Results:
    BB has Ad 7d (one pair, eights).
    Hero has Qd Ah (one pair, eights).
    Outcome: Hero wins t795.

    Hand #2 (next hand after hand #1)

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    SB (t1140)
    BB (t1300)
    UTG (t1350)
    UTG+1 (t3030)
    MP1 (t1440)
    MP2 (t2345)
    Hero (t1960)
    Button (t935)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with , .
    4 folds, Hero raises to t90, 1 fold, SB calls t75, 1 fold.

    Flop: (t210) , , (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets t120, SB raises to t240, Hero calls t120.

    Turn: (t690) (2 players)
    SB bets t810 (All-In), Hero ???

    What do you think he has, and do we want to call or fold? Additionally, do you do anything different on the flop?
  2. #2
    fold turn, esp given hand one you have to assume he has a hand here since we have seen him check down nothing.

    Flop is interesting since we know he may call with a wide range, I don't think betting is bad. But, it's also hard to believe he'll fold a better hand (say a PP with no diamond), and if he won't do that, a free card is probably good. But, if he'll call one street and fold if we fire again on turn, we're back to betting.

    Shoving over is OK as played I think because he just saw us bet the flop in hand 1 with nothing, and his play is pretty decent since without a big D it is hard for us to continue.
  3. #3
    First hand - I definitely check behind on the turn. Betting the amount you did doesn't achieve very much IMO.

    Second hand - I tend to fold to the flop minraise. Either that, or if you've seen opp try to pick off a c-bet cheaply, shove over the check/minraise. As played, you have to fold the turn, no doubt about it in my mind. If you had the A rather than the Q it would be a tough situation.
  4. #4
    Hand 1: I think you played it OK
    Hand 2: Preflop is fine, I think his minraise on the flop is an attempt to pick up the pot without much of a hand, assuming u c-betted it.
    The turn card is very unlikely to help you, and he is may be pushing anything here since you are clearly scared of his minraise.

    I think you misplayed this hand on the flop, once he minraised you have to either get out or come back over the top, I would push the flop after his minraise


  5. #5
    Personally I think Tai and TLR are giving this guy WAAAAY too much credit with comments like - "if you've seen opp try to pick off a c-bet cheaply" and "I think his minraise on the flop is an attempt to pick up the pot without much of a hand, assuming u c-betted it".

    These two hands look exactly like they were played by a friend of mine before he learned how to play. He would chase any Ace all of the way to the river, check when he was on a draw and bet when he hit a hand with the size of the bet being directly proportional to the strength of his hand (the stronger the hand the bigger the bet... go figure).

    He also was not smart enough to fold bottom pair on scary boards or to check/raises, etc. Basically he saw his hand and his hand only and played it accordingly.

    With that said, I think you are behind in hand two. I think he had 2 pair or better and you are drawing (at best) to the flush draw.

    I would have folded to his check/raise on the flop and waited for a better spot agains this calling station.
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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH
    Personally I think Tai and TLR are giving this guy WAAAAY too much credit with comments like - "if you've seen opp try to pick off a c-bet cheaply" and "I think his minraise on the flop is an attempt to pick up the pot without much of a hand, assuming u c-betted it".

    These two hands look exactly like they were played by a friend of mine before he learned how to play. He would chase any Ace all of the way to the river, check when he was on a draw and bet when he hit a hand with the size of the bet being directly proportional to the strength of his hand (the stronger the hand the bigger the bet... go figure).

    He also was not smart enough to fold bottom pair on scary boards or to check/raises, etc. Basically he saw his hand and his hand only and played it accordingly.
    The betting pattern on the 2nd hand (check-minraise on the flop, pushing the turn when called) is very rare for beginners.
    It also does not fall in line with the way you precieve his play, as betting in direct proportion to the strength of his hand, following you logic he had some sort of a hand on the flop which improved with the 2 on the turn
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by TLR
    following you logic he had some sort of a hand on the flop which improved with the 2 on the turn
    Actually I don't think the 2 helped his hand at all. I think he made his hand on the flop and the hand he made was big enough for him to check and hope we bet.
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    fold hand two. this guy is going to tell you every time he hits a hand...and when he hits it.
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