22 with awkward stack sizes ($50k Stars)

[donkbee]

Given my stack size and also the fact that there are people to act behind me, is it ever correct to limp behind here without reads?

I think 20k chips (my stack here) is too much to push, but if I had say 15k, it would be a matter of push or fold. Is it ever a good idea to push with 22 without reads when someone in EP has limped?

Obviously these decisions are way easier with reads, I want to know what to do without them.

PokerStars Game #12388509549: Tournament #62648698, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (600/1200) - 2007/10/02 - 00:40:30 (ET)
Table '62648698 133' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Wubanga (62972 in chips)
Seat 2: Miliks (14366 in chips)
Seat 3: Nat1665 (33833 in chips)
Seat 4: maximum8282 (65313 in chips)
Seat 5: JJG28 (15571 in chips)
Seat 6: docccjr (59197 in chips)
Seat 7: BEasy1 (45792 in chips)
Seat 8: Monty Burn$ (18330 in chips)
Seat 9: courtiebee (20275 in chips)
Wubanga: posts the ante 125
Miliks: posts the ante 125
Nat1665: posts the ante 125
maximum8282: posts the ante 125
JJG28: posts the ante 125
docccjr: posts the ante 125
BEasy1: posts the ante 125
Monty Burn$: posts the ante 125
courtiebee: posts the ante 125
Wubanga: posts small blind 600
Miliks: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [2c 2d]
Nat1665: folds
maximum8282: calls 1200
JJG28: folds
docccjr: folds
BEasy1: folds
Monty Burn$: folds
courtiebee: folds

[mcatdog]

I would fold this about 120% of the time, but I'm open to the possibility that johnny_fish will come tell me that I suck at poker and should do something else in this spot.

[Reidak]

Theres 3k in really weak money out there. I would bump it to 5 and shove on any flop if checked to. arent we on the button here?

[chardrian]

Even without reads you can't really go wrong here - this is more of a get comfortable with your own playing style than anything else hand.

A fold is fine - 22 is racing against everyhand except for another one with a 2 in it and that's unlikely here.

A limp is fine - whether you have 20200 or 19000 at this stage really is not going to make a huge difference. You can limp and go for the set with your stack.

A raise is fine - you're the button and there is weakness in front of you and a BB who is not going to want to get involved without a premium. In fact raising here with ATC is fine.

[ChrisTheFish]

Meh, i fold this. I think a lot of the players in $50+ tourneys will know that you can raise weaker holdings on the button and you are likely to be playing a big pot with at best a race, but then again, if that's what you want . So really, if its a table full of donks, i'd shove, if limper or blinds are good players, i'd throw it.

[gabe]

id shove, that limper sucks

[johnny_fish]

It's a little too much to shove imo. Overlimping is ok if you suspect there's a decent chance he's limping with QQ+. Added benefit is that the blinds can pay you off with something if you hit the set.

I would fold this about 120% of the time, but I'm open to the possibility that johnny_fish will come tell me that I suck at poker and should do something else in this spot.

uhmm I play donkaments because I suck at poker..

[elipsesjeff]

Even without reads you can't really go wrong here - this is more of a get comfortable with your own playing style than anything else hand.

A fold is fine - 22 is racing against everyhand except for another one with a 2 in it and that's unlikely here.

A limp is fine - whether you have 20200 or 19000 at this stage really is not going to make a huge difference. You can limp and go for the set with your stack.

A raise is fine - you're the button and there is weakness in front of you and a BB who is not going to want to get involved without a premium. In fact raising here with ATC is fine.

I agree.