did i donk myself out?

[CorbinDallas]

$4 180. 12 people left. average is 18k or so. the smallest stack is 10k. i have 19k.

the villain is the big stack and he has 50k. he had gotten more aggressive after he doubled up to the chip lead with QQ. sharkscope has his ROI at 38% with 360 games played. his MO is to raise 2xbb from early position... he did this with the Q's even... and raise 3xbb in late position.

he raised 6/10 previous hands and i'd seen QQ, AJ,... he'd taken down 3 more c-betting or betting when checked to on the flop.

6 handed. blinds are 500/1000
villain raises 2xbb utg+1. i am next and call with 9Td. folds to bb (he has been loose passive) who calls. pot is 7100.

flop is 4d Tx Kd. bb checks. villain bets 3000 into 7100 pot.
obviously i can call and see 4th street. with a weak bet on a drawy board i think my T could possibly be the best hand... plus i have the draw. so i raise to 10k. villain shoves over and i install call knowing i'm in a race but pot committed at this point with 7k left. villain has KQo.

should i have just been more patient? do i need to risk my whole stack on a 50/50 at that point? of course if i hit... then i am applauding myself saying "aggression pays off".

but aside from the outcome... is this good play? i don't need to risk my stack on a 50/50 right? but that board is kinda why you would call with 9Ts right? i don't see how i can just give him automatic credit for the King with that bet on that board.

with that board i am thinking... if i double up to 40k... i'm in great shape at the final table. if i semi-bluff and he folds i win a nice pot and have more leverage at the current table. if i bust... i bust... i'm not playing the thing to win 4 bucks.

i just want to know if that kinda play is a good one... or should i keep treading water and wait for a "real" hand. this is my tourney life.

[Jack Sawyer]

UTG+1, against raiser : 9dTd = instafold

[badgers]

Flop preflop, as played shove flop.

Your draw is very strong and you may even be ahead anyway, and you have FE. Raising to 10k with 7k behind is pointless.

[chardrian]

Calling preflop is not aggressive.

Postflop you have 14 outs meaning you are a favorite to win the hand. With 17k left and 10k in the pot you have to get it all-in here. I'd just push that flop.

[mcatdog]

Don't ever beat yourself up for playing aggressively against a good player, getting called, and then losing a 50/50. To win a MTT you need to win a lot of coin-flips and anyone who thinks there's a way around that is wrong.

Pre-flop call is pretty bad though.

[CorbinDallas]

ok. i agree that i shoulda just shoved. i doubt KQo is gonna fold... but there is probably a better chance if i push over.

leaving this situation aside... why is the pre-flop call bad? i am in position.

is it a bad play to call behind with SC's or small pp and then bet a checked flop or raise a cbet on a raggedy board when you think your opponent has two high cards like AK? say the board is 5,6,J and it's checked to you... or you smell a cbet.

if the stacks were even... utg+1 has 24k instead of 50k... then the call behind is ok?

[KoRnholio]

ok. i agree that i shoulda just shoved. i doubt KQo is gonna fold... but there is probably a better chance if i push over.

leaving this situation aside... why is the pre-flop call bad? i am in position.

In position against the villain yes, but you will be sorry you limped if someone behind you raises it up. Also, stacks aren't really deep enough at this point to make a hand like T9s worthwhile if you even hit a good flop.

[chardrian]

You have 17k with blinds at 500/1k. The bigstack in EP minraises and you call off over 10% of your stack with 9Ts still in EP....

It's fine to play like Negreaneu with deep stacks, it's pretty stupid with shallow stacks.

If you were the big blind here and were planning on checkraising any flop, I think calling would be fine. As is this is either a raise (push) or fold preflop - I fold.

[Jack Sawyer]

ok. i agree that i shoulda just shoved. i doubt KQo is gonna fold... but there is probably a better chance if i push over.

leaving this situation aside... why is the pre-flop call bad? i am in position.

is it a bad play to call behind with SC's or small pp and then bet a checked flop or raise a cbet on a raggedy board when you think your opponent has two high cards like AK? say the board is 5,6,J and it's checked to you... or you smell a cbet.

if the stacks were even... utg+1 has 24k instead of 50k... then the call behind is ok?

In position how? Where is the button?

[CorbinDallas]

You have 17k with blinds at 500/1k. The bigstack in EP minraises and you call off over 10% of your stack with 9Ts still in EP....

It's fine to play like Negreaneu with deep stacks, it's pretty stupid with shallow stacks.

If you were the big blind here and were planning on checkraising any flop, I think calling would be fine. As is this is either a raise (push) or fold preflop - I fold.

lol. ok. point taken. but i had 19k...

[CorbinDallas]

ok. i agree that i shoulda just shoved. i doubt KQo is gonna fold... but there is probably a better chance if i push over.

leaving this situation aside... why is the pre-flop call bad? i am in position.

is it a bad play to call behind with SC's or small pp and then bet a checked flop or raise a cbet on a raggedy board when you think your opponent has two high cards like AK? say the board is 5,6,J and it's checked to you... or you smell a cbet.

if the stacks were even... utg+1 has 24k instead of 50k... then the call behind is ok?

In position how? Where is the button?

i was on the cutoff. button folded.

[CorbinDallas]

with 1500 starting chips and 15 minute levels... after the 6th level.. if not before... no one except the maybe the top 5 stacks are deep. so it just doesn't make any sense to try and get fancy.

really... no one is deep in this format. so then it's all about hand selection and hoping your big pockets hold up and you flop well with AK?

back to the situation. say i have 99. everyone would say just push right? what if i have AK there... shove? re-raise and shove any flop? same with AQ?

this game is complicated right?

[CorbinDallas]

with 1500 starting chips and 15 minute levels... after the 6th level.. if not before... no one except the maybe the top 5 stacks are deep. so it just doesn't make any sense to try and get fancy.

really... no one is deep in this format. so then it's all about hand selection and hoping your big pockets hold up and you flop well with AK?

back to the situation. say i have 99. everyone would say just push right? what if i have AK there... shove? re-raise and shove any flop? same with AQ?

this game is complicated right?

i hope all that didn't put anybody off. it's probably not that interesting of a topic but i thought there might be something else there for me to learn.