AQ Commen Situation

[DetroitHusling101]

Don't have an EXACT hand history.
Just a common situation i come across with AQ.
6-8 handed.
Blinds are mid-high (50-100 or 75-150). You have about 10 bbs. Raise of 3bb in front of u from a stack that has you covered. Do we fold or shove over? Is this all read dependent? If he's LAG would this be a def shove over. And if he's tighter or passive and hasnt been raising much than a fold?

[badgers]

Lol, whats the stack sizes? what position is the raiser? What position are we? Any reads on the raiser? etc. etc.

Normally push but this is FFAAAARRRRRR toooooo general.

[TLR]

Generally speaking, calling is bad, you cannot put in 30% of your stack and fold a missed flop, so it is push/fold depending on reads, position, stack sizes etc...

[JeffreyGB]

Guys, he gave enough about stack sizes to make a reasonable answer. Sure, he didn't give numbers, but he said you have 10bb and the other guy has you covered. Here are a few possibilities - you can answer whichever you prefer. I'm going to assume that everyone but you and villain has a roughly average stack size (making you the shorty, slightly).

1. You have 1000 chips at 50/100. Villain has 2500 in chips.

2. You have 1500 in chips at 75/150. Villain has 1800.

3. You have 1500 in chips at 75/150. Villain has 5600.

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My personal answer is that stack sizes beyond yours aren't that important here. We're not near enough to the bubble for that to factor in. So I generally follow about the lines described by the original poster: fold if villain raises tight; shove if villain raises loose.

It's worth considering how well you'll be able to make up the lost equity if you fold (by stealing blinds). This is dependent on the other players at your table - how they play. In some extreme situations, this might be enough to make me fold against a loose player as well.

[TLR]

Guys, he gave enough about stack sizes to make a reasonable answer. Sure, he didn't give numbers, but he said you have 10bb and the other guy has you covered. Here are a few possibilities - you can answer whichever you prefer. I'm going to assume that everyone but you and villain has a roughly average stack size (making you the shorty, slightly).

1. You have 1000 chips at 50/100. Villain has 2500 in chips.

2. You have 1500 in chips at 75/150. Villain has 1800.

3. You have 1500 in chips at 75/150. Villain has 5600.

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My personal answer is that stack sizes beyond yours aren't that important here. We're not near enough to the bubble for that to factor in. So I generally follow about the lines described by the original poster: fold if villain raises tight; shove if villain raises loose.

It's worth considering how well you'll be able to make up the lost equity if you fold (by stealing blinds). This is dependent on the other players at your table - how they play. In some extreme situations, this might be enough to make me fold against a loose player as well.

There is a world of differnce in the following cases

1. 8 handed, UTG raised, u are UTG+1
2. 6 handed, SB raises and you are the BB
3. MP raises, you are the CO, BB has 250 chips and has posted 150 blinds
4. MP raises, you are the CO, BB has 6000 chips and is an agressive player

[JeffreyGB]

There is a world of differnce in the following cases

1. 8 handed, UTG raised, u are UTG+1
2. 6 handed, SB raises and you are the BB
3. MP raises, you are the CO, BB has 250 chips and has posted 150 blinds
4. MP raises, you are the CO, BB has 6000 chips and is an agressive player

Would you care to elaborate on how you think the above situations differ from each other if villain raises loose and if villain raises tight?

My thoughts:
1. Raiser is tight==> Easy fold. Raiser raises loose ==> marginal shove (we need the chips bad enough to risk it though IMO)
2. Raiser is tight ==> probably still have to shove. Raiser raises loose ==> easy shove.
3. You're too short for the BB's stack to matter here. It's just as likely that villain was raising a hand he thought better than a random hand as a semi-steal with showdown value. The only way you can fold here is if the raiser is tight. The rest of the story isn't really important.
4. Again, the only counter argument I can see is just calling in hopes that super-agg will shove over with a week hand, giving you isolation with a bigger pot. Most of the time, we can't count on that. Shove seems right here too, excluding reads as mentioned above.

I still don't think the added situational differences end up making that much of a difference...

[TLR]

There is a world of differnce in the following cases

1. 8 handed, UTG raised, u are UTG+1
2. 6 handed, SB raises and you are the BB
3. MP raises, you are the CO, BB has 250 chips and has posted 150 blinds
4. MP raises, you are the CO, BB has 6000 chips and is an agressive player

Would you care to elaborate on how you think the above situations differ from each other if villain raises loose and if villain raises tight?

My thoughts:
1. Raiser is tight==> Easy fold. Raiser raises loose ==> marginal shove (we need the chips bad enough to risk it though IMO)
2. Raiser is tight ==> probably still have to shove. Raiser raises loose ==> easy shove.
3. You're too short for the BB's stack to matter here. It's just as likely that villain was raising a hand he thought better than a random hand as a semi-steal with showdown value. The only way you can fold here is if the raiser is tight. The rest of the story isn't really important.
4. Again, the only counter argument I can see is just calling in hopes that super-agg will shove over with a week hand, giving you isolation with a bigger pot. Most of the time, we can't count on that. Shove seems right here too, excluding reads as mentioned above.

I still don't think the added situational differences end up making that much of a difference...

Our 'basic' answer is shove if opponent is loose, fold if tight

Situation 1: With average stack+ (for both me and villian), if he raises from UTG I will fold AQ probably even if he is loose. Even loose players dont raise random junk from UTG, so I give him a credit for at least mid PP, and with 6 people left to act after me I fold this.

Situation 2: I shove it even vs tight player, even a tight player has a wider raising range in BvB war with 10BB stack.

Situation 3: Assuming BB will call with any 2, even a tight player will probably raise a bit wider from MP, so I will shove even over a tight player here

Sitation 4: This is a situation that I may just call here, and will call a BB shove over, if BB shoves over and our original tight player calls it is a tough call but probably still a call.

[TLR]

BTW, I agree that stack size are less relevant in the theoritical situation, but position still matters a lot