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    Default New Poker Article! Chardrian's Full Tilt MTT Win Analysis

    FTR's very own chardrian has written an analysis of one of his more recent MTT victories. It was a $26 freezeout on Full Tilt. The article briefly explains strategy and what you need to know, then goes into detail on all hands that require a decision. The tournament is broken down with JeffreyGB's Tournament Trimmer and chardrian's comments are in italics after a hand. A great look into the mind of a great player!

    View the article here: http://www.flopturnriver.com/Multi-T...-Analysis.html

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    I think you get ITM in most single stack tournies before the end of the 3rd hour, not afterwards like he stated.


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    Thanks for the read Char
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    vnh sir
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    Great review.
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    I found it interesting how rarely you made cbets on the flop. Is that normal for you?
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    It depends is the only answer I can really give.

    There are times, especially heads-up OOP where you oftentimes have to c-bet. But, in multiway pots, or when you have position heads-up, waiting until the turn can be a much better tactic.

    I dunno... post hands and I'd be glad to give you or at least ry and reinvent my thought process.
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    hand 41 you didnt cbet, although it might be a good idea for a board like QQ2

    hand 48, pretty draw heavy but you are heads up

    hand 57, heads up with a raggy flop

    hand 68, bad flop but again its heads up


    off topic...

    at what point do you feel your too shortstacked to be calling with good pot odds from the BB? A lot of times I'll be looking at a playable hand in the BB but I'm only sitting with 15-20BB's.
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    Hand 41 - my opp called off 15% of his stack - so he most likely has a pair or a big A (or is just weird). The pot has about 3500 and he has only 8500 left. If I c-bet and he raises I am committed and prolly behind. I'd rather take the free card and re-evaluate on the turn.

    Hand 48 was just a steal attempt. Betting that flop looks like the best play to me - the only thing I can think of is maybe I was trying to set it up so my opp would bet the turn and I'd raise.

    Hand 57 I explained my thought process - I felt his call was really strong.

    Hand 68 - just an ugly flop. But I felt I had to go after it on the second check.

    A lot of times I float the flop late in tourneys with position because it is a lot scarier than a c-bet. Aggression is so commonplace online now that the checkraise on the flop is a common move - and it is a good one because most c-bets are bluffs. Checking behind keeps you in control. A lot of this is just thinking one move ahead. Late in tourneys my goal is to bet in a way that is extremely frustrating to my opps. What is your instinct when someone in position raises preflop and then checks behind on the flop and then either raises the turn or bets out on the turn if checked to? Hopefully it makes your nuts go up into your stomach a bit, because that's my goal.
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    Nice article... these are the types of writeups/reviews I think I get the most out of. I would LOVE to see more articles like thsi
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    w00t. First tournament I played after reading the article and I finish 26th out of 3800 players =]. It was a play money tournament, but that's still one of the strongest finishes I've had in a big tournament.

    What seperated this from other tournaments is there weren't any spots where I had to dwell on whether I misplayed something, I really think I knew right after the hand if I played it right or not.
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    I might analyze the tourney I just won tonight for a future article/analysis.
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    Great read, I can't wait to get stuck into some MTTs tonight after and try out some of the stuff I learned!
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    From my opp’s comments I guess I had gotten somewhat of an image as a bully by this time. Sometimes bully’s get hands though
    I agree with villians comment, from hand like 36-41ish, you were playing a lot of hands, showing down big hands but still playing a lot. Wouldn't it have been a good idea to maybe fold hand 41? that AT from E/MP? granted you got your card on the turn but I can see someone playing back at you big time and pissing away a couple thousand chips.

    and hand 40, why not just fold it? i mean mainly because you have been playing a lot of hands lately, and QT is less than mediocre why not just fold save yourself that 500 chips, and having to deal with a very akward hand post flop.

    but then again all of this led up to your KK hand, please post back thoughts/criticisim of my thoughts

    hand 62 you say...
    From this point on, you’ll see that a lot of players reaction to me is simply to push preflop. Some of it is because they don’t have the stack to do anything else, but a lot of it is that people did not want to play post-flop against me.
    And i believe people start playing back at you, because they hav enoticed that you are raising an extremley wide range of hands, and its much easier to push on someone with such a wide range like that IMO, also he can push with a wide range of hands also because its straight up hard for you to call with the hands your playing. ex. hand 68 if richmg pushed on you preflop, you would fold your A9 right?

    hand 72. wow ridewithme is a moron
    hand 83. i like this, and you said qcumber was beginning to hate you from before. just curious what is the range you put him on? im guessing like AJ+
    hand 84, your getting 2.5:1 pot odds (i think) at what odds are you going to call with a hand such as TQ? over 3:1?

    hand 96: one thing ive noticed is that when you have a hand you usually float the flop, sometimes the turn, but so far in this MTT you havent reraised the flop with a premium hand(just a thought, make your steals and real hands look the same?) also post flop, what about floating the flop and re-evaluate the turn?

    hand 97: I agree I believe your image has a wide range that you can profit with a call of Ax, KJ+ (but im probably wrong)
    hand 105: i loled
    hand 106: what was your thoughts behind this hand? super drawy board
    hand 129: i think villian played that well... UL woulda been sweet if you spiked a Q

    other thoughts, when people limp in your blind and you reraise them a lot... this would induce me to limp KK+ just so you raise me


    I really enjoyed reading this and being able to give my thoughts/input on it although I believe your a much better MTT player than I, but I wanted to put my thoughts so I could get feedback and ultimately improve my MTT game as well

    Thanks and I hope you do another one
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    Quote Originally Posted by vaks
    From my opp’s comments I guess I had gotten somewhat of an image as a bully by this time. Sometimes bully’s get hands though
    I agree with villians comment, from hand like 36-41ish, you were playing a lot of hands, showing down big hands but still playing a lot. Wouldn't it have been a good idea to maybe fold hand 41? that AT from E/MP? granted you got your card on the turn but I can see someone playing back at you big time and pissing away a couple thousand chips.

    and hand 40, why not just fold it? i mean mainly because you have been playing a lot of hands lately, and QT is less than mediocre why not just fold save yourself that 500 chips, and having to deal with a very akward hand post flop.

    but then again all of this led up to your KK hand, please post back thoughts/criticisim of my thoughts

    hand 62 you say...
    From this point on, you’ll see that a lot of players reaction to me is simply to push preflop. Some of it is because they don’t have the stack to do anything else, but a lot of it is that people did not want to play post-flop against me.
    And i believe people start playing back at you, because they hav enoticed that you are raising an extremley wide range of hands, and its much easier to push on someone with such a wide range like that IMO, also he can push with a wide range of hands also because its straight up hard for you to call with the hands your playing. ex. hand 68 if richmg pushed on you preflop, you would fold your A9 right?

    hand 72. wow ridewithme is a moron
    hand 83. i like this, and you said qcumber was beginning to hate you from before. just curious what is the range you put him on? im guessing like AJ+
    hand 84, your getting 2.5:1 pot odds (i think) at what odds are you going to call with a hand such as TQ? over 3:1?

    hand 96: one thing ive noticed is that when you have a hand you usually float the flop, sometimes the turn, but so far in this MTT you havent reraised the flop with a premium hand(just a thought, make your steals and real hands look the same?) also post flop, what about floating the flop and re-evaluate the turn?

    hand 97: I agree I believe your image has a wide range that you can profit with a call of Ax, KJ+ (but im probably wrong)
    hand 105: i loled
    hand 106: what was your thoughts behind this hand? super drawy board
    hand 129: i think villian played that well... UL woulda been sweet if you spiked a Q

    other thoughts, when people limp in your blind and you reraise them a lot... this would induce me to limp KK+ just so you raise me


    I really enjoyed reading this and being able to give my thoughts/input on it although I believe your a much better MTT player than I, but I wanted to put my thoughts so I could get feedback and ultimately improve my MTT game as well

    Thanks and I hope you do another one
    Wow - lot's of comments. Thanks for the input.

    Let's see if I can answer all your questions....

    Hand 40 - ThQh - I am not folding there because this is a hand that plays great multi-way and can easily stack a monster hand and I have position as the button and am confident in my post-flop game. All this adds up to a call for me. If I had not had such an aggro image and I knew that the UTG limper limped with mediocre hands as well as monsters I actually will raise there quite a bit too.

    Hand 41- AT from UTG+2, even with an aggro image, most players are going to fold. The blinds and antes are big on Tilt and you can build a stack simply by stealing them. I have a big enough stack to raise and if someone comes over the top - fine I fold and re-evaluate as to whether I need to downshift a gear.

    After Hand 62 - I agree that people start playing back at me a bit - but lots of players don't know how to do it and they will still let me steal a lot, so I'm not gonna turn into a nit and just play my cards, especially with a big stack. But yes, there are a lot of hands (like the A9 hand) that I will have to fold preflop if I get pushed on. If I get pushed on lots, then I actually have to start loosening my calling range and that's where you will often see bizarre hands where the railbirds start squawking when a very laggy player calls with a hand like 89s when they are getting right around 2:1.

    Hand 72 - 6c7c - I didn't post comments on the hand and maybe I should have. rydewithme made what many people consider to be a standard raise of 2.5x the BB. Personally, I don't think it's a big enough bet to get a deepstacked blind to fold. With blinds and antes on tilt, the pot was over 15k and I just needed to call 4.5k more. So I am getting better than 3:1 to make that call, and 67s is an instacall for me there. Postflop - meh, he was getting 2.5 to 1 to call there so it really wasn't that bad with two overs and backdoor flush and straight draws.

    83 - QK on a 567 board - it is actually really hard to put him on a range since we are 5 handed. He has a great re-steal stack where he should be pushing lots of hands against me. Instead, what he (and many players) don't realize (and are afraid to do especially on the Final Table bubble) is that his best play with our stacks is to repop all-in preflop rather than to call. So given that he did just call, rather than repop, he could have anything (any A, low connectors, any broadway, any pair).

    84 - TQ - yes I am getting good odds preflop but really I need to treat his bet as an all-in since he has put well over 1/3 of his stack at risk. If his 46k bet had been an all-in I call. As played, I need to treat it like a 113k raise and I'm definitely not getting the odds to call with Q hi there.

    96 - you talk about me not reraising flops when I flop monsters - I think you must mean hand 89 where I flop top two with TK. When I am very deepstacked I will almost always raise monster flops just to juice the pot up. Here, I was just concentrating on my stack size compared to the pot size and was trying to determine what would be the best way to get all my chips in. The board is drawy enough that I would definitely raise if it wasn't headsup. But heads up, 5 handed and with stacks as they are, I am just trying to get my all-in called and will deal with a bad beat. Post flop the pot has over 80k and I have around 190. When he bets the flop for 40k the pot now has 120k. My only option is to call or push (raising any amount is the same as a push). With position, I wanted to just call and let him try to push me off the pot on the turn as calling gives the illusion of me trying to make a play on the turn.

    Hand 106 - A9 - 4 handed. I am guessing I checked the flop to checkraise. When the Q came I actually probably would have just given up on the hand if he hadn't made such a weak bet (it was only 2x the min bet). The river was just standard.

    Hand 129 - I agree - villain played that like a champ - he obviously had a good read on my style.

    I also agree that limping monsters against aggressive bigblinds is a very good play. In fact, limp/reraising rather than just raising preflop with ATC as a steal is a great play against such a player.

    Thanks again for the comments and criticisms - they really make me think deeper about what I am doing and whether what I am trying to portray is actually working.
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    thx for responses to my post, main reason I was asking about you being over aggressive is because I would get over agressive like that and be played back at, and basically be pissing my chips away. really gets me thinking about my game and what not

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