SNG Humor (6.50) (Low Content)

[DetroitHusling101]

WOW. I came across possibly the biggest calling station and the most weak-tight passive player when this game got down to 3 handed.
Heres some examples. The station had actually folded to my river bet earlier so i figured if he had nothing i'd get a fold. I wonder what he was folding earlier in the game. Against a calling station is the optimal strategy to just bet for value like crazy? How about against the weak-tight passive during HU? Should i complete more often (like close to always) because he did not raise 1 time when in the BB HU. So it was ALWAYS a guarentee 1/2 off flop. And he would fold to min-bets constantly. He honestly completed like 3 times in a row from the button and folded to my all in when he was between 2k-3k in chips with blinds at 300/600.

(Im spewing here against the calling station meh I figured completing with just about anything was optimal (besides trash trash with no soootedness or connecterness) because if i hit a big hand im getting his whole stack.)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Hero (t6802)
BB (t2756)
Button (t3942)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t350) , , (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Turn: (t350) (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: (t350) (2 players)
Hero bets t250, BB calls t250.

Final Pot: t850

Results in white below:
Hero has 5h 6s (one pair, sevens).
BB has 8h 3s (one pair, sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t425. BB wins t425.





(This is the tight-weak passive guy , i wonder if i checked if he would of checked behind. It would have made this more lol)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (2 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t10515)
Button (t2985)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2, 6.
Button calls t300, Hero checks.

Flop: (t950) T, 9, 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t950) A (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (t950) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t800, Button calls t800.

Final Pot: t2550

Results in white below:
Hero has 2h 6c (high card, ace).
Button has Ad As (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Button wins t2550.

[DetroitHusling101]

This one made me LOL too
BB=Station
Button=Weak-Tight

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t6365)
BB (t2793)
Button (t4342)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T, 6.
Button calls t400, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (t850) 4, 7, T (2 players)
BB checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t850) K (2 players)
BB checks, Button bets t400, BB calls t400.

River: (t1650) 4 (2 players)
BB bets t400, Button calls t400.

Final Pot: t2450

Results in white below:
BB has 9c Js (one pair, fours).
Button has Ks Ad (two pair, kings and fours).
Outcome: Button wins t2450.

[taipan168]

On the first hand, why bother betting the river against a calling station? That's just a waste of chips. Remember what Doyle said, "You can't bluff a calling station, you have to show down the best hand."

Re playing against calling station, yes you need to value bet, forget about check/raises (because they won't bet without a hand) and slowplays (because they love to call but won't be the aggressor). Re playing against weak/tight/passive players, HU, RAISE RAISE RAISE if they are folding, don't just complete and let them see a free flop.

[mattiesmat]

I don't know if you want a review but it can't hurt.

Hand 1 I fold preflop. The hand is really weak. I might call with higher (suited) connectors or with antes or raise against a tight player, but I understand your logic and I might be too tight.
I don't bluff the river, but I don't think it's terrible unless you knew it was a calling station.

Hand 2 I would not bluff with absolutely nothing especially not if it is the same table you just bluffed and got busted and I don't hope it's the same guy yout try to bluff. If I had a read and would stab I would bet 500ish.

[DetroitHusling101]

[quote="mattiesmat"]I don't know if you want a review but it can't hurt.

Hand 1 I fold preflop. The hand is really weak. I might call with higher (suited) connectors or with antes or raise against a tight player, but I understand your logic and I might be too tight.
I don't bluff the river, but I don't think it's terrible unless you knew it was a calling station.

Hand 2 I would not bluff with absolutely nothing especially not if it is the same table you just bluffed and got busted and I don't hope it's the same guy yout try to bluff. If I had a read and would stab I would bet 500ish.[/quote

Hand 1 i disagree about not completing but the river bluff was uncalled for/stupid. But anyone in there right mind folds 8 3 there.
Hand 2: This guy had folded to the same bluff line several times. I guess if i planned on taking a stab at it , it should of been on the flop. Or if it was the river your right it should of been around 500ish that's doing the job if it's getting done. I was kinda shell-shocked playing against these kind of players because im use to playing WEAK LAGGY MANIACS. Or Weak-Tight players but never as passive as this guy was. The weak-tight im used toplaying will always raise preflop with a good hand but rarely cbet and c/fold without the goods. This guy NEVER raised once preflop. Check folded unless he had top pair+ and would never raise and RARELY bet. So i think that's a good enough read on him to take a stab on the river. But yeah 500 would of had the same results if it was meant to be.

Hand 1=Calling Station
Hand2=Weak Tight Passive
Same table but not the same player.
I doubt the Weak Tight Player even paid attention or caught on that i bluffed at all prior to this. He's hardly playing his cards so i doubt his thinking level is any broader.

[kmind]

I have to agree that Hand 1 should be a fold pre. Unsuited low connectors OOP is not something you want to play unless you have insane implied odds that you can very cheaply draw to your hand (difficult to do OOP) and make massive bets that villains will call once you hit. Also, don't just bluff for the hell of it, actually rep something. I used to do this just trying to scrape pots but it's def. not +ev.

[DetroitHusling101]

I have to agree that Hand 1 should be a fold pre. Unsuited low connectors OOP is not something you want to play unless you have insane implied odds that you can very cheaply draw to your hand (difficult to do OOP) and make massive bets that villains will call once you hit. Also, don't just bluff for the hell of it, actually rep something. I used to do this just trying to scrape pots but it's def. not +ev.

I have insane implied odds is what im trying to say. I usually dump the hand preflop from the SB always unless im shoving it because either me or the bb is under 10bbs and/or bb is very tight and its folded to me.
Villian from hand 1 had already called a 3/4 potsized bet and a turn potsized bet when i flopped a flush. He folded river , hence the only reason i thought he might possibly fold to my "bluff attempt".
I raised from SB into his BB with 66. I 3/4 Potsize C-bet on a flop like 9 5 4 turn 7 i bet 1/2 the pot he called. River goes check check , he has K-5. If he catches any piece of a flop and i flop something good im getting paid off. So folding my SB to a passive calling station is the right play? Calling 100 for a shot at his whole stack seems like enough implied odds for me.
Dont get me wrong under any normal situation i am folding this in the SB unless theres other factors in which im pushing/raising , but given he's passive im generally going to get to see a cheap flop with a chance at his stack.
I can't really disagree about the river bet. That was as stupid of me as him calling with 8 high. It was a obvious spew of chips.

[taipan168]

I have insane implied odds is what im trying to say...but given he's passive im generally going to get to see a cheap flop with a chance at his stack.

Problem is, stacks are not really deep enough here to justify playing for implied odds. You will hit 2 pair or better on the flop about 4% of the time, so you need to win 25x the chips you call to make calling worthwhile - so basically Villain has to stack off every time if you hit your hand to justify calling here. Sure, there may be other ways to win this hand (eg. you might flop an OESD and get free cards to make your straight on the turn/river, a 6 or 5 on the flop might be the winning hand, etc.) but you have to weigh against that the reverse implied odds of making the second best hand and it costing you a lot of chips to find out.

I'd say insane implied odds would be level 1, 6 limpers in front, passive BB and you're in the SB with 65o getting 15:1 on the call. Here, you don't have insane implied odds.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think that completing is horrible against a passive BB, but I don't think it is the most +EV play.