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  1. #1

    Default Melodramatic fold w/ KK

    Opponent has TAGgy stats over a decent sample, seems to know what he's doing. I really don't think I can discount AA here.

    100BB effective

    Maybe he's got AQ, but I really don't think it's a big enough chunk of his range for me to felt this.

    2000mph posts Small Blind $0.50
    DEmeant0r posts Big Blind $1

    Your cards :Kc: :Kh:
    ppaoss raises $4
    1 fold
    R3sistance raises $14
    PieterE3 calls $14
    3 folds

    Dealing Flop
    :Qc:
    R3sistance bets $18
    PieterE3 raises $45
    R3sistance folds
  2. #2
    bet more on the flop and then get all in on the flop.
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    I don't see why you would want to commit 1/3 of your stack with an overpair and then fold to an almost min raise. I would discount AA from most opponent's ranges, as well as 66 or 99. Most people will 4-bet with aces and most TAGs will fold pps when sandwiched in with bad implied odds. I think you're almost certainly ahead.
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    yeah get it in n00b.
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    I don't get it though.. what's a good TAG's range for coldcalling a 3bet pre AND raising flop after I've shown strength despite his coldcall? I can't see it being anything other than QQ-AA, AQ..

    Have I gone wrong somewhere?
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash256
    I don't get it though.. what's a good TAG's range for coldcalling a 3bet pre AND raising flop after I've shown strength despite his coldcall? I can't see it being anything other than QQ-AA, AQ..

    Have I gone wrong somewhere?
    I think you can add AK into his range, even though you have two K's.

    If you think his range is that narrow, why not check/call the flop? or c/r if you don't mind getting it in here.
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  7. #7
    this is why
    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    24,750 games 0.015 secs 1,650,000 games/sec

    Board: Qh 9d 6d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 42.911% 41.00% 01.91% 10148 472.50 { KcKh }
    Hand 1: 57.089% 55.18% 01.91% 13657 472.50 { QQ+, 99, AQs, AQo }
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    and that's disregarding him ever bluffing.
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    yea seriously
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    well yeah obviously isf if he can have AQ then its a super easy shove.

    But he can't.

    I think i still get it in here though.
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    either shoving or folding is usually ideal in this spot
  12. #12
    Stick it in.
  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    well yeah obviously isf if he can have AQ then its a super easy shove.

    But he can't.
    I completely disagree, however i do agree that it may not be AQ as much as say AA, QQ, or 99.
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    Showing only 1/2 the combos of 99 and AQs/AQo and including AdKd. Auto call.

    Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

    18,810 games 0.031 secs 606,774 games/sec

    Board: Qh 9d 6d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 35.542% 33.03% 02.51% 6213 472.50 { KcKh }
    Hand 1: 64.458% 61.95% 02.51% 11652 472.50 { QQ+, 9c9d, 9c9h, 9c9s, AdKd, AhQh, AdQd, AdQc, AhQc, AhQd, AsQc, AsQd, AsQh }
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  15. #15
    As everyone said - Shove or fold but I tend to be shoving here most of the times with 100bb stacks.
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    I tend to see hands like A/Q diamonds, or A/K diamonds shoving here alot....
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    Thx guys, I'll get it in next time.. I still feel it's fairly close, but seeing your responses has made me realise it's not nearly close enough to muck.
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