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AK 6.50 BB facing shove from UTG

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  1. #1

    Default AK 6.50 BB facing shove from UTG

    Another bad AK fold on my part i think.
    Got pahud working
    Stats 18 vpip pfr 10 but only 18 hand sample size.
    Figured he'd do this with 66+ excluding AA and KK (dont seem logical that he'd push either of those).
    I guess he could be doing this with a worse ace (AQ)
    Chances are im flipping IMO.
    Given i think im flipping , do i wanna flip here?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    MP1 (t535)
    MP2 (t3595)
    CO (t1675)
    Button (t1900)
    SB (t720)
    Hero (t2725)
    UTG (t2350)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A.
    UTG raises to t2350, 6 folds.

    Final Pot: t375
  2. #2
    You are not always flipping.
    You are flipping at worst, thats different.
    He most likely does not have QQ+ (then I 'gladly' pay him).
    I think this is a lower pair or a weaker ace (Like A9+).
    Also, especially at the 6.5 he sometimes has junk like KQ or QJs.
    You dominate weaker aces and you are a big favorite against 'junk'.

    Overall I think you are (way) ahead of his range and flipping at worse, so why would you fold?
    I am just another learning player, so read my comments (very) open minded.
  3. #3
    Im letting this (now 21 buyin) downswing affect me. I may even just give up on SNG's.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHusling101
    Im letting this (now 21 buyin) downswing affect me. I may even just give up on SNG's.
    I know the feeling! I think this is why everyone says you have to play hundreds, if not thousands of SnGs to get an overall steady profit.

    I have just started to play cash games, only at the micro limits, 2c/4c and 5c/10c and if I have say, 5 SnGs OOTM in a row, I play the cash games for a couple of days to get my roll back to where it was. Then I have another go at the SnGs. The micro limits seem very easy to win money at, even though I have never played cash games before. They aren't as exciting as SnGs though.
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Rage2100
    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHusling101
    Im letting this (now 21 buyin) downswing affect me. I may even just give up on SNG's.
    I know the feeling! I think this is why everyone says you have to play hundreds, if not thousands of SnGs to get an overall steady profit.

    I have just started to play cash games, only at the micro limits, 2c/4c and 5c/10c and if I have say, 5 SnGs OOTM in a row, I play the cash games for a couple of days to get my roll back to where it was. Then I have another go at the SnGs. The micro limits seem very easy to win money at, even though I have never played cash games before. They aren't as exciting as SnGs though.
    Yeah. If i start playing cash online though chances are i won't even come back to SNG's and i don't wanna do that since i feel i've improved a lot since the first HH i posted here. I agree cash is not as exciting to me either.
    I play a lot of cash home games and the casino sometimes. I started out just wanting to build my roll to like 400-500$ with SNG's and start playing cash (which i'vedone) but now i've been in the mindset that i want to master these damn things before i play anything else! And i understand to master these to the best of my ability it is going to take at least 10X the amount i've played so far (600) , but yeah downswings suck.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitHusling101
    I play a lot of cash home games and the casino sometimes. I started out just wanting to build my roll to like 400-500$ with SNG's and start playing cash (which i'vedone) but now i've been in the mindset that i want to master these damn things before i play anything else!
    This is the reason I'm still playing them, although at times I could gladly throw the PC out of the window. I feel I have learnt loads from FTR and want to continue learning. Plus, I love SnGs when everything is going ok, I think playing cash games all the time would drive me bonkers.

    It is disheartening though, when all your 60-40 and 70-30 pushes seem to lose.
  7. #7
    This is definitely not an instacall. If opp is shoving 66+, AT+ then calling is -0.5% EV. Stack sizes are very important here - we are second stack tangling with the third stack who can really hurt us when there are two shorties around.

    Running the ICM on this, we need to be 54.8% to win against opp's range to make this a good call. Even if we say that opp does not shove AA or KK, AKo is only just 55% to win against 44-QQ, AT+ and even though it is therefore marginally +EV we have to question why we are taking such a marginal spot here.

    If we can include hands like KQo and KJs in opp's range it becomes an easier call but I would be surprised if a player with 18/10 stats (even over such a tiny sample size) would be shoving such marginal hands from UTG. If his stats were 60/40 I would instacall but this is a bit of a tough spot.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by Rage2100
    , although at times I could gladly throw the PC out of the window.
    I've broken a few keys on my laptop so far. I was doing the "fist pump" or whatever they say until the river came and villian hit his 3 outer , than uncontrolably pumped my fist very hard onto the keyboard and broke the M and , key. Although they still work just the little tab thingys broke off.
    This was during my first major downswing.
    Im dealing with this one a little better , and actually after another set of 3 im break even for the day , but still wayyy down from Friday.
  9. #9
    SNGs can have some sick variance. I used to play these 5 handed sngs on a small site, with 1st getting 3.5 buyins and 2nd geting 1.5 buyins. I went on a stretch of no cashes for about 20 tournies, which was absolutely sick.

    Take a break for a while, or try some other types of games and see how they go. I suck at stud (read: breakeven at very low limits) so sometimes I play that just to mix things up.
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio
    SNGs can have some sick variance. I used to play these 5 handed sngs on a small site, with 1st getting 3.5 buyins and 2nd geting 1.5 buyins. I went on a stretch of no cashes for about 20 tournies, which was absolutely sick.

    Take a break for a while, or try some other types of games and see how they go. I suck at stud (read: breakeven at very low limits) so sometimes I play that just to mix things up.
    Yeah if im gonna take a break it should be from hold em in general.
    I use to mix it up and play 1.75 2 table omaha 8/o which were very very fishy , but it seems like anything 6.50+ omaha 8 or better are a lot touger (least thats waht sharkscope is telling me).
    I suck horribly at stud.

    I defintaly wanna start mixing in some MTT here and there.
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by taipan168
    This is definitely not an instacall. If opp is shoving 66+, AT+ then calling is -0.5% EV. Stack sizes are very important here - we are second stack tangling with the third stack who can really hurt us when there are two shorties around.

    Running the ICM on this, we need to be 54.8% to win against opp's range to make this a good call. Even if we say that opp does not shove AA or KK, AKo is only just 55% to win against 44-QQ, AT+ and even though it is therefore marginally +EV we have to question why we are taking such a marginal spot here.

    If we can include hands like KQo and KJs in opp's range it becomes an easier call but I would be surprised if a player with 18/10 stats (even over such a tiny sample size) would be shoving such marginal hands from UTG. If his stats were 60/40 I would instacall but this is a bit of a tough spot.
    With 18/10 i thought that seemed like pretty tag stats. Which also made me believe he wasn't doing this with KQ KJs. Seemed weird he would just open shove. Only thing i could think was total bluff (and why would a tight player do this UTG) or a med. poket pair that he rather not play post flop. I think i should of hurried up and sharkscoped him and maybe help that base my decision.

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