AK, TPTK, Fold?

[eugmac]

To my dismay, there are two callers PF who have position on me. I don't have any reads on the button yet, but he hasn't made any moves like this yet.

Full Tilt Poker Game #4029941344: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (30628045), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:41:53 ET - 2007/10/31
Seat 1: ARCHER259 (2,075)
Seat 2: kingbillybob22 (1,070)
Seat 3: Bogeyboy90 (1,180)
Seat 4: stanky_dozya (1,055)
Seat 5: RUSERIOUS_18 (1,320)
Seat 6: MTNeer (1,240)
Seat 7: eugmac (1,820)
Seat 8: 2BigSharks (2,470)
Seat 9: Carlos Marron (1,270)
kingbillybob22 posts the small blind of 20
Bogeyboy90 posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to eugmac [As Kd]
stanky_dozya folds
RUSERIOUS_18 folds
MTNeer folds
eugmac raises to 120
2BigSharks folds
Carlos Marron calls 120
ARCHER259 calls 120
kingbillybob22 folds
Bogeyboy90 calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Qs 8d Ad]
Bogeyboy90 checks
eugmac bets 350
Carlos Marron folds
ARCHER259 has 15 seconds left to act
ARCHER259 raises to 1,955, and is all in
Bogeyboy90 folds
eugmac has 15 seconds left to act
eugmac has requested TIME
eugmac folds

[mattiesmat]

I definitely go broke here.
TPTK is almost always the nuts in a $5.5.
I always got it all in in these spots and I 'was' a winning player at those.
What exactly are you fearing?
Only a set/2 pair is ahead here, I will pay them.

[ChrisTheFish]

Gawdd no, get it arrrrin.

So many hands shove here at the $5 level.

[Deanglow]

As a rule, I never fold TPTK in these sit and go's. If THREE people are allin before me i probably fold.

[mikeneron]

That's a pretty tough spot. Without any reads, I am right away thinking 2 pair or trips. If he had an ace with a smaller kicker, I would think he would just call hoping to get a showdown as cheap as possible. I think the same holds true for pocket Qs or Ks. I am leaning towards folding here as you still have lots of time and chips left. If this happened halfway through and the blinds were at around 50/100, then I am more prone to call.

[Geanosssss]

Insta-call. As everyone else said so many hands do this at the $5.50's.

[mcatdog]

I don't have any reads on the button yet

Why not? He has 500 more chips than he started with so you should know how he got them. My default would be to call here and I'd only fold if I had a decent read. There are a lot of hands you can be beating and only two hands that beat you, AQ and 88. I'm more inclined to fold TPTK on a board like 9TJ where a lot of hands could beat you.

That's a pretty tough spot. Without any reads, I am right away thinking 2 pair or trips. If he had an ace with a smaller kicker, I would think he would just call hoping to get a showdown as cheap as possible.

Really? I see unknowns play weaker aces and flush draws like this all the time.

[Geanosssss]

That's a pretty tough spot. Without any reads, I am right away thinking 2 pair or trips. If he had an ace with a smaller kicker, I would think he would just call hoping to get a showdown as cheap as possible.

Really? I see unknowns play weaker aces and flush draws like this all the time.

I agree with mcat.

[mikeneron]

My default would be to call here and I'd only fold if I had a decent read. There are a lot of hands you can be beating and only two hands that beat you, AQ and 88. I'm more inclined to fold TPTK on a board like 9TJ where a lot of hands could beat you.

AA, QQ, A8 and Q8 are also beating you, but I don't think AA and QQ would be played so passively so I think those could be ruled out.

[Lighty NCFC]

At worst this is AQ i think, and more likely KQ, QJ, or a flush draw. If he has 88 then gg him and pay him off. Players at these 5.50s will push with a pretty wide range and a lot of the time your ahead

[metalface]

At worst this is AQ i think, and more likely KQ, QJ, or a flush draw. If he has 88 then gg him and pay him off. Players at these 5.50s will push with a pretty wide range and a lot of the time your ahead

I agree. You have to pay off a set or 2 pair here. If you've played a lot of SNGs at this level, u should know that donks will push TPNK & hands mentioned above a lot.

[Stagemn]

JUST CALL DUDE.... THIS IS SO TYPICAL.

Ace crapola or Flushy Draw here. You're ahead here. If he has AQ, 88, A8, QQ, AA, or Q8, oh well, then pay him off. If he makes his flush or even his wannabe gut shot straight, oh well, bad beat.

[uscheese]

I push and then go on a rampage when he turns over A8 and I say "HOW COULD YOU CALL MY RAISE PREFLOP OUT OF POSITION WITH THAT CRAP??!!"

then they all make fun of me and say "what's position?" and "I WON"

etc etc.

[drmcboy]

I push and then go on a rampage when he turns over A8 and I say "You're a donk, but so I am so I'll teach you how to play poker so you stop calling my raises with dominated hands!!!!!"

then they all get better and I lose money but berating the donkeys is soooo worth it

fyp

[uscheese]

I push and then go on a rampage when he turns over A8 and I say "You're a donk, but so I am so I'll teach you how to play poker so you stop calling my raises with dominated hands!!!!!"

then they all get better and I lose money but berating the donkeys is soooo worth it

fyp

Point taken and sometimes forgotten

[eugmac]

Here's a different case with different nuances. Are you still willing to go to the felt here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #4046631604: $5 + $0.50 Madness (30754695), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:49:08 ET - 2007/11/02
Seat 1: robbocop13 (1,430), is sitting out
Seat 2: Lolel (1,785)
Seat 3: eugmac (1,440)
Seat 4: Antoska (1,440)
Seat 5: BigBlindJr (1,605)
Seat 6: Beebees (1,380)
Seat 7: bankruptnu (1,440)
Seat 8: DirtySancheez (1,630)
Seat 9: Gambit_44s (1,350)
robbocop13 posts the small blind of 20
Lolel posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to eugmac [Kd Ad]
eugmac raises to 120
Antoska folds
BigBlindJr folds
robbocop13 has returned
Beebees folds
bankruptnu folds
DirtySancheez folds
Gambit_44s folds
robbocop13 is sitting out
robbocop13 folds
Lolel calls 80
*** FLOP *** [7d Jh Ks]
Lolel checks
eugmac bets 180
Lolel calls 180
*** TURN *** [7d Jh Ks] [9h]
Lolel checks
eugmac bets 400
Lolel raises to 800

[Stagemn]

Here's a different case with different nuances. Are you still willing to go to the felt here?

Full Tilt Poker Game #4046631604: $5 + $0.50 Madness (30754695), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:49:08 ET - 2007/11/02
Seat 1: robbocop13 (1,430), is sitting out
Seat 2: Lolel (1,785)
Seat 3: eugmac (1,440)
Seat 4: Antoska (1,440)
Seat 5: BigBlindJr (1,605)
Seat 6: Beebees (1,380)
Seat 7: bankruptnu (1,440)
Seat 8: DirtySancheez (1,630)
Seat 9: Gambit_44s (1,350)
robbocop13 posts the small blind of 20
Lolel posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to eugmac [Kd Ad]
eugmac raises to 120
Antoska folds
BigBlindJr folds
robbocop13 has returned
Beebees folds
bankruptnu folds
DirtySancheez folds
Gambit_44s folds
robbocop13 is sitting out
robbocop13 folds
Lolel calls 80
*** FLOP *** [7d Jh Ks]
Lolel checks
eugmac bets 180
Lolel calls 180
*** TURN *** [7d Jh Ks] [9h]
Lolel checks
eugmac bets 400
Lolel raises to 800

I smell KJ here.