When is it NOT ok to call for set value?

[fjuanl]

I never really got into ring so I don't know what the rule was. In this spot UTG had 670 chips at 15/30. This is a 1 table SnG.

Seat 1: JACKO626 (1140 in chips)
Seat 2: leggoeggo (1075 in chips)
Seat 3: akron big (1375 in chips)
Seat 4: fjuanl (1230 in chips)
Seat 5: trio 3o (1930 in chips)
Seat 6: DarthChronic (3275 in chips)
Seat 7: Romanicco (675 in chips)
Seat 8: quietstorm01 (1770 in chips)
Seat 9: mat007007 (1030 in chips)
trio 3o: posts small blind 15
DarthChronic: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fjuanl [7h 7d]
Romanicco: raises 60 to 90
quietstorm01: folds
mat007007: folds
JACKO626: folds
leggoeggo: folds
akron big: folds
fjuanl: ...
SB left to act
BB left to act

[badgers]

Here it is not OK to call for set value, because villain has only got ~7x the size of his raise left and we arent going to stack him every time.

[JeffreyGB]

To give a more general answer, don't call for set value unless you're:
a) getting 10-1 (compared to smallest of yours and opps stacks) and you know you can stack your opp on any flop

or

b) getting 20-1 (again compared to stacks)

The more correct answer is either incredibly long talking about ranges and postflop tendencies, or really short: It depends.

[DavePA]

I thought I read somewhere if < 15x BB, do not call for set value.

Is this a good rule of thumb?

[DetroitHusling101]

I also suck at this. In OP situation it's No.
But say level 1. First hand (just to make stack sizes simple 1.5k each). I will usually call PFR up to 100 with any PP. Would this be following the 15x rule? If im the one to close the action and there was a raise of say 120 and 1 or more callers already is it ok to still call with any PP for set value?
Meh i think theres a "playing small pp" post in the SNG TACTICS , this thread just reminded me of it. Going to go check it out now.

[DetroitHusling101]

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-52509.htm

wheee good stuff TLR

[mattiesmat]

Yeah, you can call if you can win 15x the amount you need to call.
That's a good rule to get started.
So if all stacks are 1500 (first hand) you can call up to 100 (100*15=1500=stack size=maximum you can win).
You should be a little more cautious if there are active (read loose) people left to act who will likely raise.

Anyway just remember you need to be able to win >15 times the amount you can win.

[badgers]

It really really depends on the range of the opening raiser and how spewy they are postflop. If a total nit raises UTG in full ring, you can call with like 10x the implied odds because we will stack him so often. If a loose player raises on the button, you need waayyy bigger implied odds to make call pre, c/f a missed flop profitable.

[Sprayed]

I usually just go with the rule: you can call if the raise is not >10% of your stack or if his raise is not 10% of his stack. I normally go with this because I am usually playing several tables and I don't have that much time to look at everything.