Continuation Bet Sizing

[thizzSantaCruz]

This is being typed from my iPhone so sorry if the wording isn't good, I'm not really proof reading it.

From watching ISFs HU match and 6 max video one thing that really jumped out at me was the sizing of his cbets. He seemed to be routinely cbetting over 3/4 pot. I was wondering what are the asvantages to betting so big compared to the "standard" i have heard of 2/3.

[Chopper]

- consistency with the rest of your betting.
- getting to felts more often and sooner.
- making it a little less profitable for the 2nd caller, if you are doing this 3way.

those are off the top.

but, for me and my stakes, i HAVE to bet bigger on flop/turn. i play a ton of passives/floaters that like to call one street, maybe two. they call just as many psb's as 2/3's, so why not charge more when ahead? but, against these guys, i cbet less often anyway so i am more inclined to be believed.

[IowaSkinsFan]

1. Bigger cbets build a pot
2. Bigger cbets encourage our opponent to play passive
3. Helps turn peoples hands face up

[gabe]

smaller cbets are great against people who never bluff c/r

[thizzSantaCruz]

Which probably seems to be the case at 50NL where I am stuck for what seems like an enternity. I have recently been experimenting with betting bigger on the flop, and it just seems that my risk/reward factor isn't as good as it used to be. I think in general villains at this level aren't too smart and don't pay attention to bet sizing or anything like that. Also the time I get raised on the flop as a bluff is extremely rare.

[gabe]

theres more to it than risk/reward

post some random hands you cbet in this thread and we'll tell you what we think

"Also the time I get raised on the flop as a bluff is extremely rare"
then bet smaller with nonmade hands and more with good hands

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

Post by ISF that's helping me think more about less techincal aspects of bet sizing.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-61090.htm

[thizzSantaCruz]

theres more to it than risk/reward

post some random hands you cbet in this thread and we'll tell you what we think

"Also the time I get raised on the flop as a bluff is extremely rare"
then bet smaller with nonmade hands and more with good hands

Thats what I was doing before increasing my cbet sizes recently and it was working out decently. Here are a bunch of random c-bet hands, any comments would be good.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($50)
UTG ($64.85)
Hero ($77.70)
SB ($63.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 8.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) 7, Q, 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.8, BB folds.

Final Pot: $3.75



Heres a hand where I think maybe I should have c-bet. You guys like a bet here oop?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Button ($65.05)
Hero ($80.70)
BB ($159.75)
UTG ($65.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.75) , , (2 players)

Final Pot: $3.75


Heres an example where I get minraised in a multiway pot after a big cbet.


Hand #47285445-20692 at Weippe (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 07/Nov/07 02:52:49

NateO77 is at seat 0 with $18.95.
BlueHibiscus is at seat 1 with $37.40.
skim da gnar is at seat 2 with $54.80.
23Buckeye is at seat 3 with $43.70.
slikkisback69 is at seat 4 with $122.55.
calvindo2 is at seat 5 with $112.90.
The button is at seat 2.

23Buckeye posts the small blind of $.25.
slikkisback69 posts the big blind of $.50.

NateO77: -- --
BlueHibiscus: -- --
skim da gnar: Td Kh
23Buckeye: -- --
slikkisback69: -- --
calvindo2: -- --

Pre-flop:

calvindo2 folds. NateO77 folds. BlueHibiscus calls.
skim da gnar raises to $2.25. 23Buckeye folds.
slikkisback69 calls. BlueHibiscus calls.

Flop (board: 9c 6h Ad):

slikkisback69 checks. BlueHibiscus checks. skim da
gnar bets $4.90. slikkisback69 raises to $9.80.
BlueHibiscus folds. skim da gnar folds.
slikkisback69 is returned $4.90 (uncalled).



Hand #47285445-20692 Summary:

$.80 is raked from a pot of $16.80.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
slikkisback69 wins $15.50.
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If villain was a thinking player this hand could very well be a check behind since it doesn't hit my raising range that hard. Agree?

Hand #47285457-17201 at Wendell (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 06/Nov/07 15:10:41

TiltTilt is at seat 0 with $76.65.
Takman is at seat 2 with $96.15.
All_inA is at seat 3 with $50.
vvega2001 is at seat 4 with $35.45.
skim da gnar is at seat 5 with $48.25.
The button is at seat 4.

skim da gnar posts the small blind of $.25.
TiltTilt posts the big blind of $.50.

TiltTilt: -- --
Takman: -- --
All_inA: -- --
vvega2001: -- --
skim da gnar: 2s As

Pre-flop:

Takman folds. All_inA folds. vvega2001 folds.
skim da gnar raises to $1.75. TiltTilt calls.

Flop (board: 5d 9s 8s):

skim da gnar bets $3. TiltTilt folds. skim da gnar
is returned $3 (uncalled).



Hand #47285457-17201 Summary:

$.15 is raked from a pot of $3.50.
No jackpot-rake is taken from this hand.
skim da gnar wins $3.35.


Good c-bet size here? The fact he pushes is irellevent.


Hand #47285442-16878 at Triumph (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 04/Nov/07 21:02:39

c_jenn_go is at seat 0 with $34.90.
I Ruin Lives is at seat 1 with $49.45.
nopaint is at seat 2 with $42.45.
texhostud is at seat 3 with $50.75 (sitting out).
skim da gnar is at seat 4 with $74.05.
handbanana21 is at seat 5 with $49.95.
The button is at seat 4.

handbanana21 posts the small blind of $.25.
c_jenn_go posts the big blind of $.50.

c_jenn_go: -- --
I Ruin Lives: -- --
nopaint: -- --
skim da gnar: Jc Js
handbanana21: -- --

Pre-flop:

I Ruin Lives folds. nopaint calls. skim da gnar
raises to $2.25. handbanana21 folds. c_jenn_go
folds. nopaint calls.

Flop (board: 4d 3d 5d):

nopaint checks. skim da gnar bets $4. nopaint goes
all-in for $40.20. skim da gnar folds. nopaint is
returned $36.20 (uncalled).



Hand #47285442-16878 Summary:

$.65 is raked from a pot of $13.25.
$.50 jackpot contribution is raked.
nopaint wins $12.10.
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