push fold quiz - The results are in!!!!!

[GatorJH]

Let’s see how good everyone is at making +ev push/fold decisions. Using the following guidelines try to determine if the below hands are:

A) Clear fold (less than or equal to 0.0% $EV)
B) Clear Push (greater than or equal to 0.5% $EV)

Don't use SNGPT, SNG WIZ or any other tool to get your answers. Instead, imagine this is a live tourney and you have to make this decision without any tools.

Once you have posted your guesses please don't make corrections until others have had a chance to take the quiz.

For the following hands assume all players’ calling ranges are 66+,ATs+,AJo+

Hand 1

Blinds 50/100
Stack Sizes
UTG (1620 in chips)
EP1 (2000 in chips)
EP2 (2150 in chips)
MP1 (1190 in chips)
MP2 (2400 in chips)
CO (2600 in chips)
BTN (890 in chips)
SB (300 in chips)
BB (1870 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is BTN with .
6 folds, Hero ????


Hand 2

Blinds 50/100
Stack Sizes
UTG (890 in chips)
EP1 (1620 in chips)
EP2 (2150 in chips)
MP1 (2000 in chips)
MP2 (1190 in chips)
CO (2600 in chips)
BTN (2400 in chips)
SB (300 in chips)
BB (1850 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is UTG with
Hero ????

Hand 3

Blinds 50/100
Stack Sizes
UTG (890 in chips)
EP1 (1620 in chips)
EP2 (2150 in chips)
MP1 (2000 in chips)
MP2 (1190 in chips)
CO (2600 in chips)
BTN (2400 in chips)
SB (300 in chips)
BB (1870 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is UTG with .
Hero ????

Hand 4

Blinds 50/100
Stack Sizes
UTG (4200 in chips)
MP (700 in chips)
CO (5640 in chips) – Calling range = 66+,ATs+,AJo+
BTN (3420 in chips) – Calling range = 66+,ATs+,AJo+
SB (690 in chips) – Calling range = 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+
BB (350 in chips) – Calling range = 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is MP with
1 fold, Hero ????


Hand 5

Blinds 75/150
Stack Sizes
UTG (4200 in chips)
MP (700 in chips)
CO (5640 in chips) – Calling range = 66+,ATs+,AJo+
BTN (3420 in chips) – Calling range = 66+,ATs+,AJo+
SB (690 in chips) – Calling range = 44+,A7s+,A9o+,KJs+
BB (350 in chips) – Calling range = 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is MP with
1 fold, Hero ????


Hand 6

Blinds 100/200
Stack Sizes
UTG (1890 in chips)
BTN (9160 in chips) – Calling range = TT+,AQs+,AKo
SB (3600 in chips) – Calling range = TT+,AQs+,AKo
BB (350 in chips) - Calling range = 22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is UTG with
Hero ????

For the following hands assume all players’ calling ranges are 66+,ATs+,AJo+


Hand 7

Blinds 100/200
Stack Sizes
UTG (220 in chips)
BTN (3730 in chips)
SB (1890 in chips)
BB (9160 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is SB with
2 folds, Hero ????


Hand 8

Blinds 100/200
Stack Sizes
UTG (8350 in chips)
BTN (3850 in chips)
SB (1000 in chips)
BB (1800 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is SB with
2 folds, Hero ????

Hand 9

Blinds 100/200
Stack Sizes
UTG (1500 in chips)
BTN (5050 in chips)
SB (4000 in chips)
BB (4450 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is UTG with
Hero ????

Hand 10

Blinds 100/200
Stack Sizes
UTG (1500 in chips)
BTN (3950 in chips)
SB (1000 in chips)
BB (8550 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Preflop: Hero is UTG with
Hero ????

[uscheese]

1 - fold
2 - push
3 - push
4 - fold
5 - fold
6 - fold
7 - 10 Push

[zachaser]

Hand 1: Push
Hand 2:Push
Hand 3:Push
Hand 4:Fold
Hand 5:Push
Hand 6:Fold, assuming it's bubble.
Hand 7:Shove, even with shortstack.
Hand 8:Easy shove.
Hand 9:Shove.
Hand 10:Fold.

[mikeneron]

1) Push
2) Push
3) Push
4) Fold
5) Fold
6) Fold
7) Fold
8) Push
9) Push
10) Push

[GatorJH]

So far the best score is 7 out of 10. I have PM'd each person the correct answers.

[szamvan]

1. push
2.push
3.fold
4.fold
5.push
6.fold
7.fold
8.push
9.fold (??)
10.fold

[ackthecat]

1 fold
2 push
3 fold
4 fold
5 fold
6 fold
7 push
8 push
9 fold
10 push

[fjuanl]

1. fold
2. push
3. push
4. fold
5. fold
6. fold
7. fold
8. push
9. push
10. push

[Rage2100]

1) Push
2) Push
3) Push
4) Push
5) Push
6) Fold
7) Fold
8) Push
9) Fold
10) Fold

[badgers]

1) Push
2) Push
3) Push
4) Fold
5) Push
6) Fold
7) Fold
8) Push
9) Push
10) Push

[mattiesmat]

1) push
2) push
3) fold
4) fold
5) fold
6) fold
7) fold
8) push
9) push
10) push

[GatorJH]

So far we have had the following scores:

2 - 4 out of 10
1 - 5 out of 10
2 - 6 out of 10
3 - 7 out of 10
1 - 8 out of 10


I will give everyone another day or two to respond then will compile the answers so we can discuss the ones that were missed the most.

[JeffreyGB]

1.Fold
2.Push
3.Close...but I'll say fold
4.Fold
5.Push (larger blinds matter more than difference in cards)
6.Real play = Fold...but I think that BB's calling range is ATC for 90% of players, so I'm not really even answering the question you asked as it's not relevant IMO. Also, it depends on how aggressively the biggies will try to eliminate shorty.

With the ranges you posted, it's probably a shove because everyone is so tight.
7.Probably fold. Depends on how biggies play against shorty.
8.Push.
9.Push.
10.Push.

[rowey]

Good thread Gator

Hand 1 - push
Hand 2 - push
Hand 3 - fold
Hand 4 - fold
Hand 5 - push
Hand 6 - fold
Hand 7 - fold
Hand 8 - push
Hand 9 - push
Hand 10 - push

[marmot]

Great thread!
1.Push
2.Push
3.Push
4.Fold
5.Push
6.Fold
7.Push
8.Push
9.Push
10.Fold

[taipan168]

Great thread man. Ugh I'm going to show myself up here, but here goes:

1. Push
2. Instapush
3. With a calling range of 66+, ATs+, AJo I suspect this one is very marginal, but then again I doubt they all call this tight. In a game I shove this everytime but in this exercise it is probably not over +0.5% EV, so I say fold.
4. Fold
5. Push with the big stacks calling so tight. Note that ICM is slightly out in this situation because it overvalues your stack if you push, get called and lose
6. In a game this is an instafold but I suspect given how tight you have the big stacks calling (do they never call with 99 or AQo?) this is a push
7. Fold with the microstack about to eat the BB next hand
8. Instashove
9. This one is close, but with tight calling ranges I vote shove
10. Probably fold given we are shoving into the megastack, but another close one.

[marmot]

When are you going to publish results Gator? It was slipping a long way down the topic list....

[GatorJH]

When are you going to publish results Gator? It was slipping a long way down the topic list....

Sorry, I got swamped at work, but should be able to get to it this afternoon.

Thanks for the bump. I will send you your results in a PM.

[philly and the phanatics]

1.push
2. push
3.push
4.fold
5.fold
6.fold
7.push
8.push
9.push
10.fold

[GatorJH]

OK, we had 14 people take the quiz with results ranging from 4 out of 10 to one person (guess who) who got 10 out of 10. Below are the answers with how many respondents got that particular answer correct.

Now we can start the discussion on those that most people missed and why the answer is different.

1 - Push +0.5% ev 10 out of 14 correct
2 - Push +0.8% ev All 14 correct
3 - Fold -0.1% ev 6 out of 14 correct
4 - Fold -0.0% ev 13 out of 14 correct
5 - Push +0.5% ev 8 out of 14 correct
6 - Push +0.6% ev 2 out of 14 correct
7 - Fold -0.0% ev 9 out of 14 correct
8 - Push +2.7% ev All 14 correct
9 - Push +0.5% ev 11 out of 14 correct
10 - Fold -0.2% ev 5 out of 14 correct


I will start out the discussion by noting that on question 6 the two people that got it correct also stated that if BB's calling range was ATC (which is probably would be) that this would be a fold instead of a push.

[fjuanl]

Hand 4-5 - With realistic ranges for BB this would be a fold right? I would think the calling range would be close to 40% (22+,A2s+,K4s+,Q6s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,A2o+,K8o+,Q 8o+,J8o+,T8o+,98o)

Hand 6 - I can't see how BB won't call with ATC. A fold would leave them with 150 chips...100 of which will be in the SB next hand.

[TLR]

1. Push
2. Push
3. Push
4. Fold
5. Push
6. Fold
7. Fold
8. Push
9. Push
10 Fold

[TLR]

Just saw that you published the results, 8/10